Nick Brown wrote:
M.R.J. wrote:Is this place becoming just another internet forum wastebin where people who do not know each other take liberties smirking and insulting each other any time someone dares to say something..?
I hope not, although I do have the self-awareness to see that you mean me as well as Y2M.
Most people I have met in the whisky world have been great - whether they are the book-learned writers whose reviews we all revere; the distillery manager with a lifetime in the industry; a stillman or mashman in a distillery; or a humble drinker. The great thing is the enthusiasm that permeates throughout the industry on all sides: manufacturing, retailing and consuming.
This thread seems rather unfortunate, and based on a series of misunderstandings. I hope that's the case and that we aren't really uncovering swathes of greed; misogyny; anti-Americanism; anti-rest of the world; or whatever.
I can only presume that the Cadenheads London example also arose from misunderstanding since the original idea of their products being out of the price range of a customer is absurd. Cadenheads sell products ranging from the cheapest malts to multi-thousand pound trophies.
Perhaps we criticize in others the qualities we like least in ourselves. Certainly I know I have been rude to sales staff on occasion. I wish I wouldn't do that, and I go home and hate myself for it. But when it happens, I try to learn from it because it isn't a battle of equals and it doesn't make me feel big.
Maybe this thread has outlived its usefulness.
I don't know about that! I like your last paragraph, Nick. Insightful...
I think if I'd been treated like MRJ I might have entertained the thought of doing as he did...but reason might have said "why bother?" Or if there was one bottle I REALLY wanted,but couldn't find elsewhere, bought it, and taken up the issue in as humourous a manner as possible. Interesting that the "management" said it wasn't the first time...
Trouble is, one drop of lemon can sour up a whole barrel of milk. I have to agree that most people I've encountered in the whisky world have been helpful and enthusiastic...perhaps a SLIGHT sense of patronisation once or twice, until they suss you out, but...
Nowhere was this "good spirit" more in evidence than at my first visit to Whisky Live last year. Those retailers who insisted on a voucher for the pathetically small samples they " entitle" you
+ to were in the minority - I was offered about eight generous cask strength freebies on the back of lively conversations on our mutual favourite topic! In fact, I never got round to using 2 of my 3 vouchers...
I've never encountered rudeness from a whisky salesperson. What would I do if I did? I'd quietly leave, or I might turn the tables. Ask if the person had "a little too much" last night and commiserate! Or, remembering some advice once given me that "most people are two drinks under par", grab a bottle I know well, and recommend the person try THIS!...with my own tasting descriptors!
I hope I never have to. Vintage House, Milroy's, TWE, I enjoy visiting them all. Long live the whisky community. As Robin Laing said at a recent SMWS tasting(another convivial, civilised evening)
"Whisky is a cure for which there is no disease."