This is great: I've poured myself a generous dram of Lagavulin 16 and a beer chaser as well. The beer is a Bavarian import, Schneider Weisse, a wheat beer which is brewed dark. The two complement each other marvelously.
Now, to the business at hand:
pkt77242 wrote:The problem is that the New testament botches a fair amount of this such as The birth of Jesus in Bethlem, The two books that talk about Jesus birth give different reasons as to why they are in Bethlehem and there is no proof of a census being done as is mentioned.
1. Only the Book of Luke talks about Jesus' birth, actually. You may be refering to two different genealogies, one presented in Matthew, the other in Luke. One genealogy is matrilineal, the other, patrilineal although this is not apparent on trhe surface.
2. True, there is no record in other sources of a census being taken. This doesn't invalidate the biblical narrative, though. Up until last year, King Belshazzar (Book of Daniel) was thought to be a biblical invention until archÃ¦ologists confirmed the king's existence. ArchÃ¦ology is still uncovering the ancient world.
An excellent and secular source for biblical archÃ¦ology is Biblical ArchÃ¦ology Review.http://www.bib-arch.org
pkt77242 wrote: There is also some proof that the bible was tinkered with thoughout the early years so that it would say what they wanted it too.
Not really. The credibility of such Â«proofÂ» is on par with the credibility of the idea that the lunar landings were filmed in Arizona.(This Laga is just exquisite!)
There are something like ancient 25,000 biblical manuscripts in existence today. Far, far, far more than of any other ancient text. By their sheer volume, those manuscripts are proof that what has come down to us is accurate and has not been tampered with.
The only inaccuracies which exist are transcriptional errors, errors by scribe coppyists so to speak. These do not change the narrative and are identifiable and known to people like me. To Conspiracy Theorists, however, they are a source of material to cast doubt on the Bible. So be it.
That's it for Sean. Now for our maker of whisky Jell-O:
Liechtenstein wrote:1. God identifies himself with the male principle, not the female. Calling God she is a New Age practice.
Depends on your religion as Pagans (and I believe that Paganism may be older than Christianity?) worship the Godess
Yes, paganism is older than Christianity...older than Judaism as well. It is going through a resurgence now in the form of Wicca and New Age beliefs. Old doesn't mean good...haven't we all met old fools?This beer is great as well: Schneider Weisse, made by G. Schneider & Sohn, Munich, Germany (they make BMWs in Munich also...)
Reggaeblues wrote:My only regret is that I am not "surrounded" by y'all round a table having this discussion, with an ever depleting bottle of Lagavulin to fuel our flights of fancy!
They have Lagavulin in Heaven. My sources inform me that Hell is stocked by Canadian Club and bad batches of JW Red.
Reggaeblues wrote:Lichtentein, isn't it a bit patronising to refer to those who wrote other texts [Koran, Vedic lit., Bhagavad-Gita, Book of Mormon...] as"fools?"
Did I say they were fools? Maybe I did...blame it on the Crown Royal I was drinking then. Actually, the religions and faiths they back up are foolish, so the texts themselves are...simply, evil. I do not have to respect a lie but I do respect the people who have been hoodwinked by a lie.
Reggaeblues wrote: Hey, I've been guilty of spiritual snobbery, but I've given up trying to "big up" the Bible, say, or even myself, by putting down apparent competitors.
I have also been guilty of spiritual snobbery, mostly when I was an atheist. I am not a spritual snob; as I said above, I do not have to respect a lie. Why would you?
Reggaeblues wrote: I have long been fascinated by the similarities, rather than the differences in these texts, as was my aunt, a very Christian woman who once told me that, though it didn't inspire her to change faiths, she was surprised to find her preconceptions blown by reading the Gita. what surprised her were the parallels with the Bible.
There are similarities in other Â«sacredÂ» works. The differences, however are profound and irreconcilable. It is a little like being surprised that you, Sean and I all have the same colour eyes...big deal! we are each very different.
Reggaeblues wrote:but we humans love to dwell on the differences between us, rather than the one thing we all have in common. Remember in St. Mark, when Jesus' disciples have been out doing their thing. Reporting back to the Master, they say they met a man "casting out devils" and "rebuked" him because he was not "one of us." JC blows a fuse and rebukes them! "If he was casting out devils he WAS one of us."
Yes...but you forgot to mention that the man was casting out devils in the name of Jesus...not in any other name. This is a very important part of the text. Read it again in Mark 9:38-41.
Reggaeblues wrote:Just because you support a particular football team, or in my case a particular racing driver, doesn't mean that all the others are crap!
This analogy doesn't hold because race drivers are all human with the same goal. When we talk about God, we must determine who is real from who is fake. What is Truth, from what is Lie.(My Laga & beer are finished!)
Reggaeblues wrote: the word "virgin" in Greek literally means "woman of marriable age." Wow! That's one to set the cat among the pigeons!
My understanding is that there are several Greek words for Â«virginÂ» and the one used in Isaiah is the one we understand as Â«virginÂ» today.
Reggaeblues wrote:Let us remember that the Bible was written by human beings, no different from you or I. These writers were inspired to record their experiences for the benefit of humanity. However, do you think they were exempt the social and cultural attitudes of the day? I don't think so.
True. Here is an anecdote: I have a friend who is CEO of a company with 4,500 employees. He has a secretary who has been with him for 27 years. This woman composes all his correspondence and signs his name. She knows him and his work so well that their spirits are fused.
What do you think would happen if she suddenly started writing just anything, according to her whims?
She would be fired. And that's what happened to any biblical prophet who disobeyed: he was dispatched by God subito presto
I could go on...but my post is too long and my glasses