pkt77242 wrote:Liechtenstein, I had to laugh when I saw this, as I am actually Catholic and at one time I considered (and to this day still think about it) becoming a priest
when I read that, I just about choked on my grits & bourbon!* Well...OK this sheds some light on the issue as Catholics usually do not read the Bible, relying on priests & sacrements to cleanse the soul. Still, this isn't biblical and it remains the domain of human religion. (From Reggaeblues' comments, I also think he's Catholic.) Unfortunately, God hates religion.
As for taking the Bible literally, you don't have to. You can make allowances for hyperbole, metaphore and analogy whenever the context allows.
OK...you can go to Mass now while I answer Reggaeblues!
Reggaeblues wrote:Lichtenstein, if the Bible is not about happiness then what is it about?
It reveals the mind of God. It isn't a book on how to be happy, but if God gives you faith you will have joy and peace even in times of trouble.
Reggaeblues wrote:I actually find it does address this. Those teachings I have investigated and taken to heart, and applied, DO work.
You are right, but that is not its primary message. You can focus on a complimentary message and do quite well, but you are still missing the boat (remember the rich young man who wanted to enter heaven?) I sometimes tell atheists that if they want a good life, just follow the 10 commandments and life will be great. And it's true! it works!
Alas, they are still missing the Maker's Mark. (!)
Reggaeblues wrote: I mean, who needs Leviticus? who needs to burn a cow in their front yard to make an odour pleasing to the Lord? It sure as eggs won't be pleasing to my neighbours!
The levitical system came to an end when Jesus was crucified and said while hanging on the cross, Â«It is finished.Â» That is why the curtain in the Temple was ripped in two, exposing the Holy of Holies to all.
The only cow you should be burning is on a BBQ!
Reggaeblues wrote:No, It's a springboard to MY understanding. MY walk. 'Cos nobody else can walk my walk, and I am free to take my fuel from whatever pump I choose. If it gets me to my destination...
Wrong answer! God wants you to follow HIS understanding and HIS walk; to take fuel from HIS pump. Your understanding leads to the pit, not to everlasting joy.
Reggaeblues wrote:I saw this sign in a pub:"Beer is proof God loves you!"
Martin Luther - the Protestant Reformer - is actually the person who said this! Luther loved his beer.
Reggaeblues wrote: I discovered through my own experience, and nothing else, that "Word" actually means "Breath". This discovery was validated when I met my wife who has a degree in Comparitive Religion, studied the origins of the Bible, and told me without knowing about my discovery, that in the earliest translations "word " was indeed "breath"!
Yes, you are right. The Bible is the very breath of God, and it gives life, joy, peace.
Reggaeblues wrote: "The other day a girl asked me how she could get closer to God. I said,how can you get closer or furthur to God when He's with you all the time in the form of the Holy Spirit, which is this breath?" I nearly fell off me pew! i thought "At last! A Christian who understands this!" "
Interesting. You can actually live with somebody and share nothing with them...I've know couples like that. Â«ClosenessÂ» is spiritual, not physical.
Reggaeblues wrote: I have a friend ,a "Born-Again Christian" he calls himself, who studies with a Franciscan Monk, who in turn studies Buddhist meditation! My friend said he has learned so much from this guy.
The Bible doesn't say that other Â«sacredÂ» texts contain no Truth at all. It says that it alone is the truth from cover to cover and that anything different is a lie. Meditation is OK...it just depends on what you are meditating.
Reggaeblues wrote:I have another friend, an Anglican bishop as it happens, who wrote that it is a mistake to offer the judgment that the Bible is the "word of God" until someone has had a chance to read and contemplate the text for themselves...
Fat chance! Most people just get a Bible and put it on their bookshelf. I don't agree with your friend here.
Reggaeblues wrote:I used to love the old Bowmore Darkest. Jim Murray, who wrote the true Bible(if you're a whisky lover) gave it 63 and hated it!
Murray must be a sissy who likes watered-down Lowland whiskies!
*Hot grits, a dash of bourbon and brown sugar. The Breakfast of Christian Champions!