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Yes, I feel totally comfortable
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Somewhat, I find it a bit challenging to feel comfortable at times
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Neutral-at times comfortable, at times not comfortable
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Somewhat not comfortable, I find it challening at times to feel comfortable
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Uncomfortable-Much of what happens on the board makes me uncomfortable
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For Women Members: Are you comfortable posting/participating

Postby Drrich1965 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:13 pm

Based upon the question of gender, I would love to hear what women have to say about participating on this forum.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:34 pm

Obviously not.

:lol:
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Postby TreacleSponge » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:12 pm

butephoto wrote:Obviously not.

:lol:

Suprisingly that hasn't encouraged women to answer the question :roll:
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Postby Drrich1965 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:32 pm

butephoto wrote:Obviously not.

:lol:


Now there is a helpful response that pays close attention to what is asked for :roll:
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Postby Deactivated Member » Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:39 pm

Sorry. Just a joke. Ignore me...

:oops:
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Postby Di Blasi » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:11 am

The options are kind of uncomfortable, to me anyway. I really hope women do respond though, I'd love for these forums to expand and grow more with their input. We have a lot to learn from them gentlemen, and I'm not joking!!
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Postby parvus » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:36 am

I find this poll a bit strange, similarly with the poll about how many women post here. It's interesting, I guess, but does it matter to us? Should they be treated any differently or have their opinions carry more or less merit simply because of their gender?

I certainly hope not. :?
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Postby Single Malt Kommunist » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:53 am

Darn, we did forget to start a few posts about the best whiskys to drink at a hen party or tips about washing dirty nylons in ledaig.

I will share the blame with the rest of my male forum members.

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Postby Reggaeblues » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:01 am

Di Blasi wrote:The options are kind of uncomfortable, to me anyway. I really hope women do respond though, I'd love for these forums to expand and grow more with their input. We have a lot to learn from them gentlemen, and I'm not joking!!


di Biasi, I always assumed you were a bloke!( y' know "assume" -= makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me")

But I'm so glad to see you have a lot to learn from us gentlemen!!

My wife recently received an email from my sister containing some wonderful 50's wisdom - "The good wife's guide" which contains this gem:

"Remember, his topics of conversation are far more important than yours..." (Echoes of Harry Enfield's wonderful "Women! Know your place!" sketches.)

i'm always pleased to discover that a member is a woman, as it helps debunk the myth that whisky is either a man's drink or a macho drink. just as music is "art for the ears" so whisky is "art for the tastebuds" and I have found consistently that women whom I introduce to whisky consistently "get" things on first nosing or tasting that it's taken me years to grasp.

(which sort of illustrates what I know you REALLY meant di B. Just playing!)
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Postby Di Blasi » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:03 am

Reggaeblues wrote:
Di Blasi wrote:The options are kind of uncomfortable, to me anyway. I really hope women do respond though, I'd love for these forums to expand and grow more with their input. We have a lot to learn from them gentlemen, and I'm not joking!!


di Biasi, I always assumed you were a bloke!( y' know "assume" -= makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me")

But I'm so glad to see you have a lot to learn from us gentlemen!!

My wife recently received an email from my sister containing some wonderful 50's wisdom - "The good wife's guide" which contains this gem:

"Remember, his topics of conversation are far more important than yours..." (Echoes of Harry Enfield's wonderful "Women! Know your place!" sketches.)

i'm always pleased to discover that a member is a woman, as it helps debunk the myth that whisky is either a man's drink or a macho drink. just as music is "art for the ears" so whisky is "art for the tastebuds" and I have found consistently that women whom I introduce to whisky consistently "get" things on first nosing or tasting that it's taken me years to grasp.

(which sort of illustrates what I know you REALLY meant di B. Just playing!)

Not sure where I lost you Reggaeblues? Yes, your assumption is correct, I am a bloke, but what I was saying was the poll asks the same question, over and over, with an ever so slight, hard to understand difference between them. And I'm in support of women on this forum, their input will add the "spice of life!" :thumbsup:
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Postby arkle » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:16 pm

Ok, I'll come clean I am female, and I find some of the attitudes towards female imbibers of SMW to be a bit old fashioned, not from you guys, I hasten to add, as although I have only recently started to post I have been reading posts for about two years.When my husband accompanies me to events there is an assumption that he is the Whisky drinker.
Some men seem to find it difficult to take me seriously or that my opinions are valid, which I find irritating and somewhat rude especially when they continue to direct questions to the non drinking husband!.There have been occassions at WL where I have been completely ignored by the 'gentleman' behind the stand ( treated with derision by one, I walked away)Needless to say some are completley opposite and are interested and go out of their way to take you through some of their products.(BB& Rudd)
There, I feel better for that!! :D
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:24 pm

parvus wrote:I find this poll a bit strange, similarly with the poll about how many women post here. It's interesting, I guess, but does it matter to us? Should they be treated any differently or have their opinions carry more or less merit simply because of their gender?

I certainly hope not. :?


I agree.
Gender is irrelevant here. This is a site which is (mostly) dedicated to whisky. Giving information, advice, recommendations and opinions.
Whisky is appreciated (or not) by both genders, young and old, tall or short, fat or thin, bearded (yes, still) or not.
Why even question, let alone be worried or concerned about the gender of posters?
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:26 pm

A friend of mine at work goes to whisky tastings with his girlfriend regularly and she seems to be the more keen of the two! I always wish mine would like whisky, but unfortunately she only drinks the odd glass of wine.
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Postby martin grant » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:45 pm

Reassuring to note that (so far) 100% of those who have voted feel totally comfortable posting here.
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Postby arkle » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:44 pm

Thank you for your support chaps, the worst offenders at WL London were Pebble Beach and Bowmore.I shall give them both a miss this year, I think.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:02 pm

Women's opinions on whisky:

The best tasting note I have ever experienced from one of my live tastings was from a woman when evaluating the Bruichladdich Celtic Nations #1:

She said "It has a Scottish nose and an Irish mouth"
Excellent and perfectly correct.
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Postby TreacleSponge » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:58 pm

Arkle - your posting style and language made me think you were a woman. Funny that you, SoMK and I share some traits in posts that the fellas don't exhibit so much. That's why I mentioned (male) horse in a different thread to see if you'd 'fess up ;)

I agree about Whisky Live, but I found it was the girls who ignored me in favour of my brother (who was consistently referred to as my husband). At the Bowmore stand I asked the questions and she directed the answers to my brother! WL Glasgow was pretty much a meeting of middle class, middle-aged white men. Which isn't suprising, despite the advertising which show more women than men, and a good multicultural mix. And I think the same goes for this forum. It's no shock that it's male-dominated. It's not just what the advert shows that will attract more women, but more importantly where the advert is placed.

I think this forum is less blokey now compared to 3 years ago. There's more mention of wives and partners. And fewer posters say "lads" in their messages ("Thanks lads", "what do you think lads", etc) which was quite common at one point and made it feel like a boys only club.

Anyway, to answer the question, my comfortableness or not is not affected by being a girlie.
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Postby Newbie » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:20 pm

The ppl at stands shouldn't have ignored you or anyone for that matter. Their job is to promote their whisky and they should be encouraged to target women as it is a huge market! Also its basic manners to address who ever is talking to you.

The women I know can tear me apart when it comes to tasting and aromas. They can detect all the flavours in a meal that were I can only detect; salty, sweet, yummy :oops:

The only problem they have with the whisky is that the alcohol can overwhelm them or that they don't have the vocabulary/knowledge to describe what they're tasting (they can taste sweetness but don't know its sherry becuase they've never tried sherry)!

Before there is outrage at the above comment, I have the same problems! Even now I can't really describe what I am tasting other than to say if I like it or not :oops:
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:40 pm

This type of attitude is common in Germany, or at least here in Bayern.
Sabine is German, therefore speaks perfect German. Her English is spoken with an Irish accent and is also very close to perfect, almost native.

My German is, well, errrmmmm, not so perfect and my English is rather ...... Yorkshire.

Anyway, the number of times she asks a question (in German) of perhaps a shopkeeper or workman ... etc and they (usually male) reply to me and not to her is amazing!
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Postby TreacleSponge » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:11 pm

Malt-Teaser wrote:.
My German is, well, errrmmmm, not so perfect and my English is rather ...... Yorkshire.


In my head I always read people's posts in a Yorkshire accent because I have a fairly broad West Yorks accent. You didn't sound very Yorkshire in your (very good, btw) WhiskyCast piece, or was that your telephone voice?
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:54 pm

After living for ten years in Hampshire and now a further nine years here in Bayern, I'm afraid my true Tyke accent is rather faded. But if go home for any length of time I tend to return here speaking a language that nobody understands.

I guess my accent rounded off a lot when I was darn Sarf as I worked in a sales environment and Suvvern customers struggled to understand Tyke.
In additon, when speaking regularly to foreigners (as I did in the UK as well as now), one tends to simplify words and pronunciation in order to be fully understood.

Well, that's my excuse.
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Meanwhile, thanks for taking the time and trouble to listen to my Podcast ramblings, it's good to know that people heard (and hopefully enjoyed) this.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:59 pm

Willie, you don't need to vote, just click on "View Results".


I also think that my earlier post may have been slightly mis-understood, or not worded correctly by me.
I wasn't deriding the idea of this poll, I was just trying to say that it shouldn't be necessary.
I still say that gender is, or should be, irrelevant and people's ideas and posts are all welcome, regardless of gender, size or whatever.
Social grouping is irrelevant here in cyber-space.
Just make everyone welcome and accept their contributions for what is typed. Not for what or who a person is.
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Postby TreacleSponge » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:26 pm

I don't know if this is a man thing, but I think it is specific to this forum, at least I've not seen it on any other forum (or icq/mIRC). When people find out a members' real name, they often get called by that. This is really unusual to me. Even when I've been a member of a forum where we had many real-life meet-ups no-one ever addressed each other by their real names on the forum board, just at the meets.

Like I said, I don't know if that's because there are so many men here but as this is the only forum I know that has soooo many men compared to women, I'm guessing that might have something to do with it.
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Postby Di Blasi » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:43 pm

I too like the friendliness around here, but sometimes I feel lost as to who Nick or Woody or Jonathan, (yes, that's me I know, but do others that I haven't pm'ed with??) And I always try and use the member name so everyone understands, even if I know (Christian) Mr Fjeld personally, I'm just not sure others do. Anyway, just my silly 2 cents worth.
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Postby Foey » Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:44 pm

It's not just this forum, i also belong to a local motorcycle forum & a lot of people on there use real names once they become known & yes there are quite a few "Girlies" on there. :)
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Postby TreacleSponge » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:06 pm

Di Blasi wrote:I too like the friendliness around here, but sometimes I feel lost as to who Nick or Woody or Jonathan, (yes, that's me I know, but do others that I haven't pm'ed with??) And I always try and use the member name so everyone understands, even if I know (Christian) Mr Fjeld personally, I'm just not sure others do. Anyway, just my silly 2 cents worth.

Yes I feel the same about everyone understanding, but I do feel disrespectful calling you just by your surname, so in future I will refer to you as Mr.DiBlasi, which is how Mr Fjeld could have set up your logon in the first place ;)

Collector57 wrote:But you will tell me that all your other forums are just as friendly :(

Of course not, it could never be so :shock: :D
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Postby Di Blasi » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:15 pm

TreacleSponge wrote:
Di Blasi wrote:I too like the friendliness around here, but sometimes I feel lost as to who Nick or Woody or Jonathan, (yes, that's me I know, but do others that I haven't pm'ed with??) And I always try and use the member name so everyone understands, even if I know (Christian) Mr Fjeld personally, I'm just not sure others do. Anyway, just my silly 2 cents worth.

Yes I feel the same about everyone understanding, but I do feel disrespectful calling you just by your surname, so in future I will refer to you as Mr.DiBlasi, which is how Mr Fjeld could have set up your logon in the first place ;)

Collector57 wrote:But you will tell me that all your other forums are just as friendly :(

Of course not, it could never be so :shock: :D

I think Di Blasi is kinda cool actually, and maybe Mr Fjeld thought it would be a bit weird to have 2 Misters in Bergen, you all may think we're weird or something. Here 5 year olds call their teachers by their first names! But I too always use the respectful title, Mr. Doctor, etc, so you can call me Mr. Di Blasi Treacle Sponge, if you'd like!
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Postby Di Blasi » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:48 pm

Oui!
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Postby SoMK » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:56 am

Jeez, I go away for a few days and miss all the fun :wink:

Like so many people, I think the poll is kind of irrelevant as we're here to talk about whisky.. but to answer it :
Comfortable speaking here, yes, like more or less everywhere else in Europe/North America... although, during Shows and Cons, I often see people directly talking to my husband when in fact, I'm the one working here but hey, that's insulting only if you want it to be. It's just something that happens when you evolve in majoritary masculine environment but no big deal..That's just bad information -that can be corrected- and new generations help nivelling the whole thing...
So, here, no pb for me, I'm comfy :p *well, especially if we reaaaallly get the Ooh Shiny level, that makes my girlie side go bling* *nudgenudge winkwink* <-- Ok, that was ironical.

This is a very cool and friendly forum, the only drawback is not being able to dram alltogether from time to time :( Whisky is better when shared.

MT & Treacle > Being brought up for a few years in Knaresborough, I adore your Yorkshire accents *melts*
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Postby Mr Fjeld » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:52 am

Di Blasi wrote:I think Di Blasi is kinda cool actually, and maybe Mr Fjeld thought it would be a bit weird to have 2 Misters in Bergen, you all may think we're weird or something. Here 5 year olds call their teachers by their first names! But I too always use the respectful title, Mr. Doctor, etc, so you can call me Mr. Di Blasi Treacle Sponge, if you'd like!

lol, heavens no! If we're being serious for a moment, the reason why I called myself Mr Fjeld is because I thought I prefered to be formal in a place where one doesn't really know the people you are talking to. How wrong I was! However, I cannot see how it would be rude to call someone with their surname when you've had contact with them on a more personal basis such as with pm's? In Norway that would definately be considered as being rude; "so why are you suddenly being all formal towards me" ? It may be hard for foreigners to understand but Norwegians are fiercely egalitarian hence titles are abandoned as soon as possible - the King being the only possible exception :wink:

Mrs Sponge? Sure you won't prefer just Treacle? :wink:
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Postby les taylor » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:46 am

You mean like King Fjeld. :wink:
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Postby Mr Fjeld » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:56 am

les taylor wrote:You mean like King Fjeld. :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol: Haha that's just great Les!!!
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:33 pm

I never considered this forum overly blokey and I think this is down to the wide diaspora of countries being represented by forum members. And because of that we all try to be aware of peoples cultural differences whether we realise or not.

However plenty of Blokey conversations do go on and messing and slagging off. It would be interesting to know if these conversations annoy, put off, irritate or make our female members uncomfortable.
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Postby Thesh » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:39 am

I used to belong to a forum that was pretty much dedicated to technology (until I was banned for not adapting to the change in moderator quantity and strictness), and it was amazing how women were treated. There were so few on that forum, and most of them were treated like no one ever saw a woman before. I guess that's why there weren't many women.

People here seem much better, though... Probably because they are on average 20-30 years older. I'm one of the few mature people my age (mature, another word for uptight and boring).
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Re: For Women Members: Are you comfortable posting/participating

Postby adab » Thu May 01, 2008 5:30 pm

Hi everyone,

I'm a woman and I'm new to this site. I'm working on a book chapter about women and whiskey and I found this poll interesting. I'd love to hear more stories, impressions, insights from both men and women about how the whiskey industry is changing (if it's changing), how women feel in the world of whiskey, how men peceive women in the world of whiskey, etc. I recently went to a whiskey conference where it was very clear that women are still largely left out of the market. On the other hand I know there has been quite a bit of change from the way things were a few decades ago. Just trying to get a sense of to what extent things have changed and why they haven't changed more to include larger numbers of women.
Thanks for any information you can give me. If you fee uncomfortable posting to the site, please email me at adab@mit.edu.

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