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Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby cathach » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:24 am

Woodford Reserve 45.2% Kentucky Derby 133

Nose: Wood and citrus notes, with cocoa

Palate: Wood spice and herbal notes

Finish: Very pleasant and warming.

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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ganga » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:58 pm

cathach wrote:Georgia Moon Corn Whiskey <30 days old

How can you drink this (neat) and live?


:lol: ROTFLMAO! :lol:

I'm surprised people continue to try this following the first few reviews. It's almost like a competition. "Anything you can do, I can do better."
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ras Mazunga » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:24 pm

Maybe a new made spirit tasting for the summer?
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:02 pm

Old Overholt Rye Whiskey 4yo 40% (thanks to Ras Mazunga for this one)

Colour: Chestnut
Nose: Lawn clippings, green tomatoes, cooked fruit and Madeira cake and toffee. An eclectic range of aromas, but very nice.
Palate: stewed apples, coarse sugar, little thin in the middle.
Finish: More sugar and then oak rushes in all spicy and keen, but then it fades to leave a lovely coating of icing sugar
Comment: This is delicious, but I'd like to try it at higher strength. Its overwatered at 40% I think.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:44 pm

Wild Turkey 101 8yo, 50.5% (thanks to C57 for this one)

Colour: Chestnut
Nose: Sweet, vanilla, toffee, barley sugar and orange
Palate: Barley sugar and oak, sweet orange segments dusted with icing sugar.
Finish: Oaky and a little bitter. Still has the icing sugar though and there's an interplay between the spice and the sweetness as it goes on and on. Orange fruit sweeties at the end.
Comment: A very pleasant experience. No doubt about it. I can see where Nick gets that turpentine finish, but I thought the sweetness just made it ok.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:57 pm

Cadenhead's Heaven Hill 15yo, 57.2% (thanks to jmrl for this one)

Colour: Chestnut (again)
Nose: Like sniffing icing sugar up your nose followed by a blast of orange juice. Underlying vanillins and some oak spice already. Mealy in the glass if you leave it for a minute.
Palate: Wow, huge citrus hit followed by a huge struggle between concentrated and massively sweetened barley sugar and oak spice. The barley sugar has the upper hand though.
Finish: It's all about the sweetness this one. Even the citrus elements are sweet with just an occasional tart note. The oak is there but you taste it through multiple layers of varnished on sugar. The strength gives it heat but it also gives it huge concentration of flavour.
Comment: A fascinating experience. If this is affordable and still available I might get one. My taste buds are being anaesthetised as I write though.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:03 pm

Pappy Van Winkle's Family Reserve 20yo, 45.2% (thanks to Mikeymad for this one)

Colour: Old oak
Nose: Prunes, raisins, oak, hint of rubber, cornmeal
Palate: Dates encrusted with demerara sugar. Pure fruit and sugar at this stage. I expected a lot of wood here but its not showing. Beautiful.
Finish: Sugar and spice and long lingering oak. Even here though the wood doesn't dominate. Excellent stuff.
Comment: Really good stuff. I wouldn't mind a bottle of this. A truly classy dram.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:32 pm

Knob Creek small batch 9yo, 45.2% (thanks to Mikeymad for this one)

Colour: Russet
Nose: Big hit of fabric softener. Dusty oak. Really floral. Sugary.
Palate: Liquid sugar, then lots of oak.
Finish: The oak spice grows and grows, without ever getting too hot, or bitter.
Comment: Easy drinking stuff. Nice to have that floral change to the heavy sugar and fruit of many of the other bourbons.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:52 pm

Sazerac rye 6yo, 45%, Beltramos, straight rye - single barrel #205 (thanks to Mikeymad for this one)

Colour: Deep copper
Nose: Hugely floral. Fragrant with perfume, fabric softener, barber's shops and lavender. Brilliant!
Palate: The perfume and lavender are all over it. I prefer it on the nose but it's still great.
Finish: Coconut, sugar crystals, wood spice, lavender. Long and lingering.
Comment: The most heavily perfumed whisk(e)y I have ever drunk. Quite an experience. I love it.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:54 pm

Collector57 wrote:Mikey seems to have selected some winners there Willie!

Yeah some great stuff Nick. Really enjoying these drams.
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Re: BAuburnourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:23 pm

Wild Turkey Rare Breed, 54.1% (thanks to Treacle Sponge for this one)

Colour: Auburn
Nose: Strong on the nose, brown sugar, butter, rye.
Palate: Like crunching on brown sugar crystals. Gorgeous.
Finish: Sizzles from the tip of the tongue to the rear and then heads back again. Slight bitterness, but works fine.
Comment: Bit hot and spicy towards the end, but a very enjoyable experience.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby mikeymad » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:43 am

Nice notes Willie... need to get around to writing them up myself...

Glad you are having fun with them...

If I could buy another bottle of the Pappy for $90USD like I did... I would.

Oh BTW the Stagg will be at 72.4% (I didn't show that on the sample, Just in case)

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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:35 pm

I managed to write up some notes on a few bourbons last night. It went like this, EC12, GTS 2006, 2007 and 2008. Notes to follow. :D :D :D
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:43 pm

I started off with the EC 12, a good way to start considering the ABV of the GTS!!! :shock: :shock:

Elijah Craig 12yo

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Very smooth, a bit light actually, sweet with more wood evident.
Smooth but sweet lasting finish, becomes a bit drying.
Nice dram, especially for the money.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:02 pm

Next up was the GTS 2006 70.3%. Many thanks again to Lohssanami for this sample! :smoke: :smoke:

George T Stagg 2006 70.3%

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Sweet, honey, some vanilla, hint of tobacco, and drying oak.
This one started really sweet, then became very drying, then loads of dark fruits and a hint of licorice. Very complex!
Extremely long and lasting and very well balanced.
Very Very nice Dram!!
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:13 pm

Next up, GTS 2007 72.4%, another animal! Thanks again Lohssanami! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

George T Stagg 2007 72.4%

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Lighter on the vanilla than the previous, less oak, but sweeter with more fruits.
Starts very smooth and sweet, but this one immediately explodes on the palate. Very drying towards the end with more vanilla.
Really hot, and even more drying than the previous years bottling.
Another very nice dram.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:19 pm

The last one of the evening was the GTS 2008 70.9%. :smoke:

George T Stagg 2008 70.9%

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Dark fruits, vanilla and definite wood (oak).
Very rich and sweet, quite different than the previous 2. Still loads of dry wood.
Long and rich with sweet yet dark fruits, a bit hot, but overall good balance.
I think I liked the 2006 the best out of this bunch.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:51 am

Cheers Sean, thanks for the extra notes!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:07 pm

mikeymad wrote:Nice notes Willie... need to get around to writing them up myself...

Glad you are having fun with them...

I'm really having fun Mikey, thanks very much. And you've ensured that the bourbon/rye experience will continue for a while yet. :D
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:09 pm

Wild Turkey, Rare Breed, 54.1%

Tasted a different batch last night:

Tasted: 12/03/2009
Nose: Orange oil, leathery, sweet, brown sugar
Palate:Huge hit of orange oil. Butterscotch. Much more intense than the batch tasted above.
Finish: Lots of woodspice, fizzing and sizzling, rye breaks through for a minute, then icing sugar and much watering of the mouth.
Comment: Really an excellent batch. I wish there was a way to identify them.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:39 pm

Rittenhouse Rye, 100 proof

Tasted: 12/03/2009
Colour: Dark chestnut
Nose: Perfumy, crystal clear barley sugar and new leather. Orange.
Palate: Dark crunchy sugar and sweet orange water.
Finish: Long lingering sugars and boiled orange sweets.
Comment: Great stuff. It would be easy to believe this had significant corn content. Hugely drinkable, if not very complex.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ras Mazunga » Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:50 pm

Starting with a few Wild Turkeys tonight.
First one is 101 8yo 50.5%. Thanks for this one C57.
n: very herbal like Becherovka, eucaluptus, camphor, wax, pine tree, varnish, fresh cut pine tree.
p: this is very weird, an eucalyptus infused Becherovka I would say.
f: spicy, eucalyptus, the little oak disappaers too soon.
c: I wouldn't recognise this as a bourbon in a blind tasting. medicinal would be my general description. definiently one of the more extreme ones.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ras Mazunga » Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:06 pm

Wild Turkey 12 50.5%(101 proof)
n: vanilla and cakes right away, the herbal notes are very much covered by the sweet notes but are there. very good nose, complex, oak, kardamon, anis, eucalyptus, pine tree, resin,
p: now the herbs are back. like the herb mix you get in an indian restaurant after your meal.
f: much longer than the 8yo. like a fishermans friend
c: the higher strength makes it perfect.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ras Mazunga » Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:37 pm

You are right Nick the tastes are tremendous. For a moment I thought you mixed it with a bit of jagermeister or so before sending it. It might be the most interesting of the three I am tasting tonight. If I may compare I would compare this one to a young Laphroaig, different but also extreme.


Wild Turkey Rare Breed 54.1% batch #wt-3rb(thank you Treaclesponge)
n: the smelling volume is turned down quiet a bit compared to the 8 and 12yo. vanilla, raisins, bergamot, assam tea, beeswax, oak, a little rye maybe
p: herbal like Becherovka but not as strong.
f: oak, tea, eucalyptus
c: seems older than the 12yo. Not sure what to think about this one yet. the other WT's have a very strong own identity, this one a lot less.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:18 am

Collector57 wrote:
Ras Mazunga wrote:Starting with a few Wild Turkeys tonight.
First one is 101 8yo 50.5%. Thanks for this one C57.
n: very herbal like Becherovka, eucalyptus, camphor, wax, pine tree, varnish, fresh cut pine tree.
p: this is very weird, an eucalyptus infused Becherovka I would say.
f: spicy, eucalyptus, the little oak disappears too soon.
c: I wouldn't recognise this as a bourbon in a blind tasting. medicinal would be my general description. definitely one of the more extreme ones.

The first time I tried tis I was horrified and thought it was vile.
Now, I really like it. Yes it's bold and uncompromising compared with many single malts, but when you get used to that the flavours are tremendous

Maybe you should keep trying the Georgia Moon Nick :)
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ras Mazunga » Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:45 am

Just lost my notes on the Blanton. :twisted:
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:42 pm

Gentleman Jack Rare Tennessee Whiskey, 40% (Thanks to Mikeymad for this one)

Colour: Tawny
Nose: Bicycle oil, shortcrust pastry, sharp lemon and grapefruit, maybe a raisiny note too.
Palate: Citrus and sugar. Its a strange sensation that only seems to inhabit certain areas of the tongue. Elsewhere it just doesn't seem to do anything other than create a neutral oily coating. Bicycle oil again.
Finish: Medium length with sweet grape and grapefruit.
Comment: Very pleasant, but there's something about the oiliness of it that doesn't quite hang together with the citrus.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:03 pm

Elijah Craig 18yo, 45%, Barrel 2367, into barrel 27th Oct 1989 (Thanks to Mikeymad for this one)

Colour: Auburn
Nose: Light orange, intense linseed, some vanilla and a hint of barley sugar. The wood via the linseed dominates though.
Palate: Orange at the tip of the tongue and then a wash of intense oak all over the palate.
Finish: Oaky bitterness with occasional sweet sparkles, long and drying.
Comment: This is one for lovers of woody drams. The wood is all over it without being unpleasant. I thought the EC12 had got a bit woody, but it was the heavy spice that was making me think that. There's no real weight of spice on this one. The wood is gentle and delicate, for all its dominance.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby I_SPEY » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:16 pm

Willie JJ wrote:Elijah Craig 18yo, 45%, Barrel 2367, into barrel 27th Oct 1989 (Thanks to Mikeymad for this one)

Colour: Auburn
Nose: Light orange, intense linseed, some vanilla and a hint of barley sugar. The wood via the linseed dominates though.
Palate: Orange at the tip of the tongue and then a wash of intense oak all over the palate.
Finish: Oaky bitterness with occasional sweet sparkles, long and drying.
Comment: This is one for lovers of woody drams. The wood is all over it without being unpleasant. I thought the EC12 had got a bit woody, but it was the heavy spice that was making me think that. There's no real weight of spice on this one. The wood is gentle and delicate, for all its dominance.


I fully agree with you, Willie :D Thanks TS :thumbsup:
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby mikeymad » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:08 am

Willie JJ wrote:Elijah Craig 18yo, 45%, Barrel 2367, into barrel 27th Oct 1989 (Thanks to Mikeymad for this one)


Nice Willie, this one is a reasonable price as well. I would like to try some H2H with another barrel # to see if they have much cask variation.

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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:58 pm

Michter's 10yo, 47.2%, Barrel 7k-3 (Thanks to Mikeymad for this one too)

Colour: Burnt umber
Nose: Orange oil, oatmeal, demerara sugar, spicy
Palate: Wow, really spicy. The oak is packing a sugar coated punch. The orange seems watered here though. Not as rich and oily as the nose suggests. There seems to be rye there too. Sugar crystals popping like space dust on the tongue.
Finish: The sugar and spice wrestle it out to the end without a clear winner.
Comment: Another example of how massive oak need not detract from a dram. Its a shame the orange thins out a bit after the nose, but apart from that this is very nice.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:27 pm

Booker's bourbon, 63.4% (Thanks to Caledonia for this one)

Colour: Polished mahogany
Nose: Very strong, burnt toast, crème brulee, orange
Palate: Whoosh, the spirit sets fire to your palate, but the flames are quickly doused with buckets of sugar leaving some burnt caramel and liquorice and the after effect tingles for ages. Very little sign of wood here. The dram settles down and becomes juicy fruit sweets. Yummy.
Finish: Very mouth watering and leaves a dusting of caster sugar.
Comment: High impact stuff. If you want a bourbon that'll get your attention then look no further.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Ganga » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:53 pm

Maybe this thread should have been retitled. Willie's March Bourbon Tasting comes to mind. Keep going Willie. Great notes and observations.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:09 pm

The bourbon tasting shifted to a new venue last Friday as we convened at a friend's house with 5 bottles. Unfortunately the friend had only wine glasses which led to exceptionally large pours and deteriorating quality of observation. (I can't even find the note for the EC18.) Anyway here are some thoughts on the others:

Berheim Original 45%, wheat whiskey

Tasted: 20/03/2009
Nose: Soft, gentle, orangey, light sugars
Palate: Orange flavoured barley sugars. Soft again.
Finish: Very subtle with the finest of castor sugars.
Comment: Really well made, charming whiskey that I can't imagine anyone finding fault with. Quite special.
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Re: Bourbon - 6 March 2009 - 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:15 pm

Blanton's Gold 51.5% Cask 245

Tasted: 20/03/2009
Nose: A bit spirity, roasted corn, acetone.
Palate: More of the nail varnish remover. The oak is there but, it is struggling to get past the acetone. Water opens it up and unleashes the wood, but the spice has gone and turned to dry pencils. Castor sugar later on.
Finish: Long
Comment: Very enjoyable feisty dram.
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