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Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ryguy » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:54 pm

Welcome to the Rye Whisky Live Tasting

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Any rye whiskey you may have...

Date and Time

Friday April 2nd - Sunday April 4th
Start time - 7:00pm GMT


About...
For those of you who do not know what these are about, they run for generally 12+ hours and we all sit down (at various times) to taste a range of whiskies and share our notes and comments on the forum. Have a look in the Live Tasting forum for past events.

They are a great way to meet people on the forum, chat about your experiences and learn something new about the whiskies you have, and we all end up having a good time.

Please feel free to join in and post any comments or tasting notes you have. Tasting notes can be added using the Tasting Note tab on the postings page. (Note, the Age field on the tasting must be a number such as 7,9,10,18)

We look forward to seeing you beginning Friday evening..... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Matt2 » Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:29 pm

The Live tastings page has been setup here...

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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby lockejn » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:10 am

Starting off with my first taste of Rittenhouse Rye 100. Lots of fresh grain on the nose, but the palate is much less so. Very warm and spicy and a bit "dusty". Heavy banana on the finish. Certainly the most rye essence of any whisky I've sampled. I like the spice a lot, but I think I prefer the freshness of Jim Beam. Let's find out....
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby lockejn » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:38 am

Jim Beam Rye. Fresh and clean from nose to finish. There's more rye and spice than a bourbon but sweeter and "cooler" than the Rittenhouse. I think the real downfall here is the ABV. A boost to 45% would make a world of difference.

I think I do prefer this to the Ritt' even though it is a bit plain. It could easily be an everyday drinker.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ryguy » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:53 am

Nice notes so far lockejn! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

It's definitely interesting to read about other peoples thoughts on ryes. I don't have any bottles/samples here right now but I will post some overall thoughts here.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby lockejn » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:01 am

Sazerac Rye (NAS). This is quite a bit different from the first two. It's definitely not a one-trick pony. There's a richness in the nose - something floral but not dainty. There's mint and anise on the palate and the finish is tingling and wholly lacking in banana. Maybe something slightly medicinal.

I like this a lot, but I really think it's in a category of its own.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ryguy » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:05 am

The last rye I had was a Hirsch Rye, 21yo. Here are my notes from then (approx 2 weeks ago).

On the nose I got lots of sweetness and something floral, with loads of oak presence. The palate was a mix of dark berries and more wood, becoming drying, but overall very sweet. Lots more towards the front of the palate than the end, short finish, mostly dry oak with a touch of bitter sweetness.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby pkt77242 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:11 am

Getting my 2 bottles of rye out. Be back in a minute or two. Nice notes lockejn :thumbsup:
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:16 am

Good evening gentlemen. Nice to see you guys around.

Also, a big thanks to Ryan for getting this tasting together and to Matt for getting the Chat function up and running. :thumbsup:

Me thinks it is time for some ryes.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ryguy » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:24 am

Ganga, Sean, what do you both have lined up for this evening?? :smoke:
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:29 am

First up, Rittenhouse Rye 100.

I've poured it into three different glasses: large brandy, tulip nosing glass, and a mini glencairn.

Minicairn
Nose: semi-sweet, maple syrup notes, dried rye grains, peanut shells, lacquer, fresh wood - not really oaky maybe poplar, some fermented berries
Palate: coarse straw and grains, sweet syrupy notes, do I detect a corn broth?, more berries-overripe blackberries and raspberries
Finish: medium, cracked grains, drying sweetness
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:30 am

Rittenhouse, Jim Beam and Sazerac 18. Three glasses of each.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby pkt77242 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:35 am

Old Potrero 18th century style 100% rye essay 10-RW-ARM-3-F 62.1%

N: rye spices, pumpkin bread, banana bread, hints of mint, and nutmeg. Rather spirity and has a smell of gasoline.
P: major rye spices, spirity, and some liliies and carnations. The nutmeg shows up but the rye dominates.
F: shortish finish on rye spices, nutmeg, and that pumpkin bread note.

Now with some water
N: Much more floral and the mint is heavier, the rye spices gets pushed to the back.
P: Still the floral notes, and now some chilies, and cracked pepper.
F: still very short and not much changed.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby pkt77242 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:37 am

Ry,

The Old Potrero that I just had and a Thomas H Handy Sazerac 2008 release.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:43 am

Next is the tulip nosing glass.

Tulip
Nose: dominant graininess (rye, surprise), Elmer's glue, almond shells, dried florals and grasses-think late summer early fall meadow, dried maple syrup
Palate: Very similar to the minicairn but richer. This glass present it to the mid and back palate.
Finish: Taste are somewhat similar although I detect crushed mint now. Also much longer finish.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby pkt77242 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:51 am

Thomas H Handy Sazerac 2008 Release 63.75%

N: Cinnamon, rye spices, brown sugar, mint, fig, and candied walnut.
P: Cinnamon, mint, fig and candied walnut. Just a hint of orange coated in brown sugar.
F: long finish, on candied walnuts, cinnamon and mint.

Now this is a great Rye.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:52 am

Onto a bigger, broader glass.

large brandy
Nose: subtle rye notes, acetone, cooking vanilla, slightly underripe berries, mixed nuts, slight woodiness - ash?, heavy dark bread - banana nut?, a whiff of honey and peanut butter, after awhile dried berries and florals descend
Palate: wild array of spices: nutmeg, cumin, ground cinnamon, pumpkin spice, oakiness here, straw
Finish: long and subtle, spices drift off with a slight dry oakiness like from a chardonnay

This is really different from the other two glasses. Everything is intertwined. What was bold is now subtle. Presentation seems to be across the entire palate from this glass.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:54 am

Sure sounds like it Sean. Maybe I'm interpreting the brown sugar as maple syrup in the Rittenhouse.

pkt77242 wrote:Thomas H Handy Sazerac 2008 Release 63.75%

N: Cinnamon, rye spices, brown sugar, mint, fig, and candied walnut.
P: Cinnamon, mint, fig and candied walnut. Just a hint of orange coated in brown sugar.
F: long finish, on candied walnuts, cinnamon and mint.

Now this is a great Rye.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ryguy » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:59 am

There is definitely an overwhelming sweetness in the ryes that I've had. I'd say it's a mix between brown sugar/maple syrup (as you all have noted) and molasses.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:03 am

Hm, you guys are really making me think I should go back through these whiskies again. Compare and contrast for maple syrup, brown sugar and molasses.

In the name of science of course. :P
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby pkt77242 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:05 am

Ryguy wrote:There is definitely an overwhelming sweetness in the ryes that I've had. I'd say it's a mix between brown sugar/maple syrup (as you all have noted) and molasses.


Rye, have you had Old Potrero? Not very sweet but then again it is only aged for a short period and is 100% rye. Much more spicy/gasoline in the flavor.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:06 am

Next whiskey up is the Jim Beam Rye (yellow label)

Minicairn
Nose: peanut oil, only a whiff of grains, lacquer, brown sugar sauce
Palate: molasses (not as sweet as brown sugar or maple syrup), wood chunks - maple, very light grains - green
Finish: light, vibrant, really a combination of the green grains and maple
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ryguy » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:08 am

Sean, I definitely tried the OP. Not sure exactly which bottle it was, but I had one. My thoughts were very indifferent. At times I found it somewhat enjoyable, others not so much. It's definitely a different one, that's for sure. Very different from everything IMO.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:12 am

Jim Beam Rye

Tulip Noser
Nose:
Strong brown sugar-like opening a fresh bag, background rye (on the stalk at harvest time), light cinnamon and allspice, waxy, vanilla, salted almonds
Palate: very grainy-rough like a cat's tongue, more towards molasses, nutmeg, pumpkin spice
Finish: long, spicey with a hint of crushed greens - mint?
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby pkt77242 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:15 am

I will keeping hanging around here though I am doing a 3 way tasting tonight of Jefferson's Presidential Reserve 17yo, Elijah Craig 18yo and Pappay Van Winkle 20yo.

Ryguy wrote:Sean, I definitely tried the OP. Not sure exactly which bottle it was, but I had one. My thoughts were very indifferent. At times I found it somewhat enjoyable, others not so much. It's definitely a different one, that's for sure. Very different from everything IMO.


very different, not sure I would buy another bottle but glad I bought one.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:16 am

Sean, it might be interesting to post some thoughts on bourbon with rye in mind. Do you find the rye components?
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:19 am

Jim Beam Rye

large brandy
Nose:
walnuts still in the husk, mixed salad greens, kind of peppery, cracked nut shells (ouch), glue and acetone, drying grass, pumpkin pie, meadow walk
Palate: rye and nuts, a walk in a summer meadow and a long blade of grass dangling from your mouth
Finish: moderate, oily, nutty with a meadows touch

The nose on this one reminds me a little bit of Inchmurrin.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:20 am

menage troi bourbs. Will look for your notes.

pkt77242 wrote:I will keeping hanging around here though I am doing a 3 way tasting tonight of Jefferson's Presidential Reserve 17yo, Elijah Craig 18yo and Pappay Van Winkle 20yo.

Ryguy wrote:Sean, I definitely tried the OP. Not sure exactly which bottle it was, but I had one. My thoughts were very indifferent. At times I found it somewhat enjoyable, others not so much. It's definitely a different one, that's for sure. Very different from everything IMO.


very different, not sure I would buy another bottle but glad I bought one.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby pkt77242 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:26 am

Ganga wrote:menage troi bourbs. Will look for your notes.

pkt77242 wrote:I will keeping hanging around here though I am doing a 3 way tasting tonight of Jefferson's Presidential Reserve 17yo, Elijah Craig 18yo and Pappay Van Winkle 20yo.

Ryguy wrote:Sean, I definitely tried the OP. Not sure exactly which bottle it was, but I had one. My thoughts were very indifferent. At times I found it somewhat enjoyable, others not so much. It's definitely a different one, that's for sure. Very different from everything IMO.


very different, not sure I would buy another bottle but glad I bought one.


And 2 of the 3 are legal :shock:
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby pkt77242 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:31 am

Ganga wrote:Sean, it might be interesting to post some thoughts on bourbon with rye in mind. Do you find the rye components?


So far the EC 18 had almost no rye spice. Next up is the PVW 20yo.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:33 am

pkt77242 wrote:
And 2 of the 3 are legal :shock:


Doesn't that depend on what state you're in? :wink:
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:37 am

Sazerac Rye 18, Fall 1981, Summer 100, 45%

Minicairn
Nose:
Really sweet (molasses), almost no rye present, june berry syrup, I'd swear there's a little corn present here
Palate: strawberry that redefines as raspberry jam, slight rye,very light spices-allspice, pumpkin gourd
Finish: long, spicey

This is elegant.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby pkt77242 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:40 am

Ganga wrote:Sazerac Rye 18, Fall 1981, Summer 100, 45%

Minicairn
Nose:
Really sweet (molasses), almost no rye present, june berry syrup, I'd swear there's a little corn present here
Palate: strawberry that redefines as raspberry jam, slight rye,very light spices-allspice, pumpkin gourd
Finish: long, spicey

This is elegant.


Now that sounds damn good.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:43 am

Saz Rye 18

Tulip Noser
Nose:
nutmeg, ginger, strawberry Quick powder, light rye grains, straw, oakiness, molasses cookies
Palate: pumpkin spice, oak barrel with rye grain (husked but not cracked or ground), mint
Finish: Long, spicey mint

Maybe a little less elegant in this glass but bolder. More like the entertaining drunk at the party - drink brings out something for everyone to enjoy that wouldn't otherwise be there.
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Re: Rye Whisky Live Tasting - April 2-4, 2010

Postby Ganga » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:45 am

It is a fine dram. And I've found that the large brandy is much more to my liking with the rye whiskies. So up next Saz Rye 18 in a large brandy.
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