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May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby pkt77242 » Sun May 22, 2011 4:53 am

Ganga wrote:Balvenie 12 DW.

Nose: honey, heather and dry grasses, roasted apples, some very light smokiness
Palate: fruit salad, honey on toast, late summer grass
Finish: lingering sweetness-honey


Do you get any flavors from the sherry? as I don't see any in your notes.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sun May 22, 2011 4:59 am

Nothing classic in terms of first fill sherry. Recall that HP12 is vatting of 1st and 2nd fill sherry. It is very similar to HP12 except not the smokey quality.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby pkt77242 » Sun May 22, 2011 5:01 am

Ganga wrote:Nothing classic in terms of first fill sherry. Recall that HP12 is vatting of 1st and 2nd fill sherry. It is very similar to HP12 except not the smokey quality.


agreed but I still get some oranges, nuts etc. that make me think of sherry.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sun May 22, 2011 7:31 am

pkt77242 wrote:
Ganga wrote:Nothing classic in terms of first fill sherry. Recall that HP12 is vatting of 1st and 2nd fill sherry. It is very similar to HP12 except not the smokey quality.


agreed but I still get some oranges, nuts etc. that make me think of sherry.


Tonight I really didn't get that.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby johan brugge » Tue May 24, 2011 4:43 pm

pkt77242 wrote:
Ganga wrote:Balvenie 12 DW.

Nose: honey, heather and dry grasses, roasted apples, some very light smokiness
Palate: fruit salad, honey on toast, late summer grass
Finish: lingering sweetness-honey


Do you get any flavors from the sherry? as I don't see any in your notes.

From what I can recall of this Balvenie are not really the sherry notes but more like the honey flavours and most of all that thick, creamy, silky butter scotch taste.

BTW, this thread was a really good idea if you ask me. It's in many ways an eye opener for me to read what people think of these 'basic' whiskies. :thumbsup:
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Wed May 25, 2011 5:47 pm

Agreed Johan. Now if we could only get Willie to come out and play.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Wed May 25, 2011 6:04 pm

Sorry guys I was away last weekend. I'll try to catch up.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Wed May 25, 2011 9:07 pm

One must encourage ones friends. For Willie:

Knockando 12, 1986, 43%

I know that this isn't readily available anymore in the US nor this vintage but hey, maybe the good folks in Europe can give us an update.

Nose: pencil shavings, heather, wild fields with some flowers, wood glue, orange blossoms as I tip the glass to my lips.
Palate: cedar and oak shavings, lemons, barley bin
Finish: long, green barley stalks
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Wed May 25, 2011 9:18 pm

And in response:

Strathisla 12yo 43%

Nose: Orange barley water and banana. Draff and a tiny hint of smoke. The orange is really intense with cinnamon sugar.
Palate: Flat start, but the citrus bursts through before the spice crashes in. A little hot.
Finish: Very spicy with more heat. Then a bit drying before the peppercorn break through. Caramel bitterness.
Comment: So much to like, but its a bit hot and the bitter finish is unfortunate.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Wed May 25, 2011 9:28 pm

Thank you Willie. It's been a long, long time since I've had the Strathisla 12. May have to try it again.

Islay Mist 12

Nose: roasted lemon rinds, cooked sugars, blackwhip licorice, crumbs from the bottom of the toaster, some "dust bunnies"
Palate: lemon zest, burnt molasses, licorice
Finish: rather short, and closer to fresh molasses
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Wed May 25, 2011 9:30 pm

Whoops, meant to edit the previous post not quote it. :oops:
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Wed May 25, 2011 9:46 pm

Something else:

Glen Spey 12yo F&F 43%

Nose: Toasted grain, almost burnt. Lemon and pineapple with a hint of mango.
Palate: Sweet citrus delivery. Quite juicy, then harsher Lemsip flavours creep in.
Finish: Slow building spice with lashings of sugar.
Comment: Decent enough, although not the best dram in the world.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby johan brugge » Wed May 25, 2011 9:56 pm

Has anyone written down some notes on the Bailie Nicol Jarvie? I've tried this one a few years ago and I really loved it. In fact, I'm thinking of buying one for my father-in-law's birthday next month.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Wed May 25, 2011 9:58 pm

Looks interesting if not necessarily that good. We don't see many Glen Speys and those we do tend to be MMcD finished expressions.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Wed May 25, 2011 10:04 pm

johan brugge wrote:Has anyone written down some notes on the Bailie Nicol Jarvie? I've tried this one a few years ago and I really loved it. In fact, I'm thinking of buying one for my father-in-law's birthday next month.

I've got some somewhere Johan. I'll look it out and write a note. I agree its really good.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Wed May 25, 2011 10:05 pm

Ganga wrote:Looks interesting if not necessarily that good. We don't see many Glen Speys and those we do tend to be MMcD finished expressions.

I'll save you some.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Wed May 25, 2011 10:31 pm

Cutty Sark Black Clipper Blend NAS 40%:

Nose: Surprisingly fresh with a hint of ozone. Very fruity, but its nicely balanced with vanilla, toffee and intense peat. Lots of smoke and bog myrtle.
Palate: Barley sugar and fruit sweets wrapped in wood smoke.
Finish: Becomes ashy and dry with a little smoked meat.
Comment: Very nice NAS peated blend.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Wed May 25, 2011 10:39 pm

Rittenhouse Rye 100

Nose: walnuts and hazelnuts (salted), straw, vanilla, caramel, hour old glue (partially dried), hidden mint leaves
Palate: wintergreen, whole rye grain, , straw, some mixed nuts
Finish: short and minty
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 27, 2011 9:27 pm

Dalmore 12yo

Nose: Orange, fruitcake, figs and toffee.
Palate: Orange with little sugary sparkles. Toffee, but not in a good way. Feels like a lively malt being suffocated by syrup.
Finish: Flattened & bitter.
Comment: It's hard to tell what the whisky is like, but there's no doubt that the caramel is rubbish.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 27, 2011 9:51 pm

Bunnahabhain 12yo 46.3%

Nose: Very sulphury. Whoever put this batch together really messed it up. The sulphur makes the usual delightful Bunnahabhain oranges seem dark and bitter. Rich dark chocolate too, then the Islay air comes to the fore with a blast of ozone.
Palate: A real punch up between the delightful orangey malt and struck-matches. It's a very unsatisfying draw. Salty/sugary overtones help to ease the pain.
Finish: Cocoa powder, sulphur and a bitter twist at the end.
Comment: You can sense how good this would (and will) be when they get it together without the sulphur.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 27, 2011 10:00 pm

Whyte & Mackay Prize 40%

Nose: Vanilla, toffee and mild citrus.
Palate: Soft, grainy and mouth coating.
Finish: Short, but sweet, although a bitter twist suggests a touch of caramel
Comment: Very easy drinking.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 27, 2011 10:08 pm

Naked Grouse 40% (1st fill sherry apparently)

Nose: Very light but plenty of citrus and a splash of toffee
Palate: The fruit is more powerful here with sweet orange and a spicy bite
Finish: Short. Little to comment on, apart from a toffee revival.
Comment: I preferred the W&M Prize. The NG isn't doing much for me.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby dramtastic » Fri May 27, 2011 10:19 pm

Willie JJ wrote:
johan brugge wrote:Has anyone written down some notes on the Bailie Nicol Jarvie? I've tried this one a few years ago and I really loved it. In fact, I'm thinking of buying one for my father-in-law's birthday next month.

I've got some somewhere Johan. I'll look it out and write a note. I agree its really good.


Agreed X 3. I've bought many bottles and turned many of my casual whisky drinking aquaintances onto this one.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Fri May 27, 2011 10:33 pm

Is this the newer version with the 50/50 sherry/bourbon or the older 40/60.?

Willie JJ wrote:Dalmore 12yo

Nose: Orange, fruitcake, figs and toffee.
Palate: Orange with little sugary sparkles. Toffee, but not in a good way. Feels like a lively malt being suffocated by syrup.
Finish: Flattened & bitter.
Comment: It's hard to tell what the whisky is like, but there's no doubt that the caramel is rubbish.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sat May 28, 2011 4:40 am

Chivas 12

Nose: grains, hints of herbs, oakiness, lemons, vanilla, coconut
Palate: toffee, grains, citrus, oak
Finish: rather soft and grainy.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Sun May 29, 2011 12:48 am

Ganga wrote:Is this the newer version with the 50/50 sherry/bourbon or the older 40/60.?

Its the new one
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sun May 29, 2011 1:17 am

Sounds like there is some heavy variation in the vattings. My bottle is more of a decent dram. Too bad. :(

BTW, still a couple of days left to add notes on your basic whiskies. :thumbsup:
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby pkt77242 » Sun May 29, 2011 2:09 am

Ganga wrote:Sounds like there is some heavy variation in the vattings. My bottle is more of a decent dram. Too bad. :(

BTW, still a couple of days left to add notes on your basic whiskies. :thumbsup:


I 2nd Wiilie's tasting note except mine was more like overripe oranges. :yuk:
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sun May 29, 2011 2:21 am

overripe doesn't bother me. It's the underripe which makes the whisky on the bitter side.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby pkt77242 » Sun May 29, 2011 6:30 am

Ganga wrote:overripe doesn't bother me. It's the underripe which makes the whisky on the bitter side.


By overripe, I mean almost rotten. :yuk:
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sun May 29, 2011 6:40 am

I don't recall getting that. Will try to HTH both the 2008 and the newer bottling of Dalmore 12 tomorrow.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby dramtastic » Sun May 29, 2011 10:10 am

Ganga wrote:overripe doesn't bother me. It's the underripe which makes the whisky on the bitter side.


Which can also be fine IMO if it's balanced by the sweetness of other fruity notes. In other words I'm partial to bitter/sweet notes and flavours.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Sun May 29, 2011 2:19 pm

dramtastic wrote:other words I'm partial to bitter/sweet notes and flavours.

I agree if it's well balanced. I'm suspect its over-caramelisation of the whisky which causes that flattening of the flavours and the bitterness at the end. It does seem to give an initial sweet hit which can be really pleasant but then it falls off.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Sun May 29, 2011 11:42 pm

Highland Park 12yo 40% bottled 2010

Nose: Hmm, the whisky and the glass are very cold. Need some warmth. Aah there it comes, classic HP12 with that heather honey. Getting some smokey toffee, malt concentrate and fresh orange notes now.
Palate: Mmm, initial sweetness is followed by light sooty notes so quickly its hard to separate them. Then its chewy citrus laced toffee with hints of barley sugar.
Finish: Little waves of salty/sweetness that drift into the middle distance.
Comment: Such an easy whisky to like. I always seem to enjoy drinking it but never remember that much about it afterwards. I should probably make a note to myself to have a dram of it every month just to remind myself how inexpensive whisky drinking pleasure can be.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Sun May 29, 2011 11:48 pm

Slightly stretching the parameters of the tasting with this next one, but although Glenfarclas 105 is cask strength it is NAS and is still relatively cheap. Pretty much the definition of an entry-level cask strength whisky along with A'bunadh. So here goes.
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