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May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby johan brugge » Mon May 09, 2011 10:08 am

Ganga wrote:From this I get the impression that the whisky was not what you wanted rather than a poor whisky.

Exactly. I'm glad I tried it and I like it, but it's not really my style. Mind you, it's a good whisky ... if you don't mind the pepper. I feel the same about the Talisker 10yo. If you like this one, you'll like the Longrow CV as well. I've also tried the Springbank CV and that's got even more white pepper than the Longrow. At least IMHO.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby MaltMartyr » Tue May 10, 2011 4:16 am

johan brugge wrote:
Ganga wrote:From this I get the impression that the whisky was not what you wanted rather than a poor whisky.

Exactly. I'm glad I tried it and I like it, but it's not really my style. Mind you, it's a good whisky ... if you don't mind the pepper. I feel the same about the Talisker 10yo. If you like this one, you'll like the Longrow CV as well. I've also tried the Springbank CV and that's got even more white pepper than the Longrow. At least IMHO.


One more point, the more recent U.S. Release of Springbank CV has a slightly spiced club soda-like finish to me. It doesn't end with pepper, but it seems more subtle and arguably white, not black pepper. However, earlier on, when I was not as sensitive to the food that I ate before dramming I also found more pepper was revealed in the Talisker 10 y.o. than I liked, as well.

Over time, I occasionally purchased a dram and tended to drink Talisker 10 before dinner, after milder food, or with a sufficient break after a meal. I eventually found Talisker 10 more enjoyable and acquired a taste for it. The 10 y.o. is unique and some newcomers like it. In addition, the Talisker 10 seems like a more common expression in bars over the last five years.

In hindsight, I'd have likely 'favored' the Springbank CV and Longrow CV over the Talisker 10 y.o. when I started sampling and a few years thereafter. Now, I appreciate each, so there is a bottle of each in my cabinets. I think that Springbank CV is more mild than Talisker 10 y.o. at a minimum; perhaps milder than Longrow CV, as well. However, Springbank CV has a unique finish all to its own. The peat is a Campbeltown peat, but not as pronounced as most recent Glen Scotia Official expressions.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Wed May 11, 2011 4:36 am

The Ten High blended bourbon

Nose: sugar coating to bubble gum, barley and rye
Palate: Bubblicous, raw barley grain, vanilla
Finish: oscillating bubble gum and rye
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Wed May 11, 2011 5:56 am

I'm not sure what blended bourbon is. It is inexpensive so not much of a gamble.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Wed May 11, 2011 6:30 am

Late night reflections of Ardbeg 10

Nose: huge oiliness, lemon citrus, watermelon, brownie mix, salted fish
Palate: diesel and salt water (think a fishing harbor), lemons, honeydew
Finish: long, bonfire (seaweed-salt, iodine)
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby johan brugge » Wed May 11, 2011 10:21 pm

johan brugge wrote:
Ganga wrote:I usually have found some fresh oakiness to the Chivas. Is there any of this that is apparent.?

No, not in my bottle. :mrgreen:

You might by right there after all, Ganga!
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby lockejn » Thu May 12, 2011 1:09 am

Third time around I think.

Old Pulteney 12

Nose: Licorice, malt, stewed fruit, salt taffy
Palate; Cereal, honey, some fresh raisin
Finish: Medium, salty, cereal, caramel

Really excellent whisky and a super value.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Thu May 12, 2011 3:07 am

So last night I did Ardbeg as a late night reflection. I'm going to have a little Ten High to get started and then put some reflections from early in the evening.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Thu May 12, 2011 3:27 am

Ardbeg Ten

Nose: Atlantic salmon with a spritz of lemon, diesel oil, honey dew, bananas
Palate: Brownies roasting on a coastal bonfire-seaweed, driftwood, melons mixed with sliced green bananas
Finish: long, bonfire slowly burning out

Never experienced bananas before. Very interesting.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Thu May 12, 2011 4:57 am

johan brugge wrote:
johan brugge wrote:
Ganga wrote:I usually have found some fresh oakiness to the Chivas. Is there any of this that is apparent.?

No, not in my bottle. :mrgreen:

You might by right there after all, Ganga!

I really believe that something comes from discussion of the whiskies.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Thu May 12, 2011 5:03 am

Georgia Moon Corn Whiskey
Guarenteed less than 30 days old

Nose: peanut butter, sour mash, alcohol
Palate: sour peanut butter, alcoholic
Finish: short, oily

This is something to be had only to try.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Thu May 12, 2011 5:04 am

Yes, like Sean et al buying more whisky. :smoke: But also, better understanding and enjoyment of your beverage.

Oh and sometimes NOT buying a whisky.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Thu May 12, 2011 5:16 am

pkt77242 wrote:
Ganga wrote:Georgia Moon Corn Whiskey
Guarenteed less than 30 days old

Nose: peanut butter, sour mash, alcohol
Palate: sour peanut butter, alcoholic
Finish: short, oily

This is something to be had only to try.


I will take a pass. That sounds nasty.

Are you sure...I can save some for you. :lol:
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby lockejn » Fri May 13, 2011 1:00 am

Glenfarclas 12.

Nose: Butterscotch, balsamic vinegar, chocolate nougat, ripe apple
Palate: Oak, sherry, holiday spices, brown sugar
Finish: Medium, coating, leather, white pepper, a whiff of smoke

I'm not generally a fan of sherry-finished whiskies, but this is one of my favorites and an excellent value in NH at least.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Fri May 13, 2011 5:01 am

pkt77242 wrote:Ten High Blended Bourbon

N: Bubblegum. Hints of corn and vanilla, but mostly strawberry bubblegum.
P: Strawberry bubble gum, vanilla and corn. A touch of oak and coconut.
F: Shortish, on corn and vanilla. A touch of the strawberry gum.

Way too sweet for my taste.

Isn't it interesting? Try it after some Ardbeg.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Fri May 13, 2011 5:03 am

Great price on the Teachers. I think it is closer to $20 here.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Alzarius » Fri May 13, 2011 5:44 am

The Glenlivet 12

Bottle is about halfway gone, opened 2 weeks ago

N: Fruit-driven, of the apple and pears kind of fruit, hints of vanilla
P: Soft, some nuts, more apples and pears, touch of spice at the end
F: Toast, vanilla, can't get much else

I think a very spicy dinner kind of killed my taste buds a little on this one, as it was a bit more fruity to me on previous occasions.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Fri May 13, 2011 5:51 am

Alzarius wrote:The Glenlivet 12

Bottle is about halfway gone, opened 2 weeks ago

N: Fruit-driven, of the apple and pears kind of fruit, hints of vanilla
P: Soft, some nuts, more apples and pears, touch of spice at the end
F: Toast, vanilla, can't get much else

I think a very spicy dinner kind of killed my taste buds a little on this one, as it was a bit more fruity to me on previous occasions.

Try it again on a fresh palate and post your notes here. It's interesting to have several opinions on a whisky.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Alzarius » Fri May 13, 2011 6:01 am

Will do :D Looking at your notes for this several days ago, I can see it just like that too when I had it on previous occasions. It's just that tonight this is a tad muted after a spicy meal.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Fri May 13, 2011 6:33 am

Alzarius wrote:Will do :D Looking at your notes for this several days ago, I can see it just like that too when I had it on previous occasions. It's just that tonight this is a tad muted after a spicy meal.

Good deal eh. Look forward to seeing your thoughts next time.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sat May 14, 2011 2:22 am

pkt77242 wrote:
pkt77242 wrote:Dewars White Label

N: Dirty grains. lemon oil, musty cotton.
P: Starts on dirty grains and lemon oil. Then some lemon drops, vanilla, and a touch of olive oil.
F: short on olive oil and dirty grains. a little lemon and alcohol burn.

Not good.


Trying this first tonight to see if the dirty grains smell/taste was still there. It is is. :yuk: Don't walk away from this, run away from it.

If you'd've asked I would have told you that it doesn't get better to start with that one. :lol:
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sat May 14, 2011 5:20 am

So I'm revisiting the Grant's NAS blended scotch whisky.

I get some harsh graininess, anise, burnt sugars. As I dram this further in the evening I find that the harshness diminishes but everything else remains prominent.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Willie JJ » Sat May 14, 2011 8:43 pm

I need to start adding to this. The month is flying by
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sat May 14, 2011 11:16 pm

Why yes you do Willie. :thumbsup: I do look forward to seeing your thoughts on some whiskies. Be fun to see how things compare where there is overlap.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby The Third Dram » Sun May 15, 2011 3:24 am

Islay Mist 12 Year Old - 40%

Nose: Bakery spiced apple-pear compote with a drop of honey. Then a cooling sensation of wet slate and moist grass followed by far more phenolic scents.

Palate: Smooth, glycerine-like entry that twists nicely from sweet fruit'n'malt notions to drier oak and peat infused tones. Just enough of a bittersweet bite to balance out the otherwise rather easy going nature of the mid palate presentation. Firms up considerably toward the finish as vegetal, oily and sooty nuances kick in left, right and center.

Comment: What it lacks in serene sophistication when compared to its 17-year old sibling, it more than makes up for with its greater sense of liveliness and Islay punch. A quite excellent blend.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby The Third Dram » Sun May 15, 2011 3:45 am

Benriach Curiositas 10 Year Old - 46%

Nose: Poached pears and coal tar with a scent of animal sweat. Some anise peeking through tonight as well.

Palate: The peat fuses so incredibly effortlessly with the oak, and this combo then proceeds to flow right into notions of honeyed banana-pear purée and sourdough batter, only for the whole to be taken to the next level by an infusion of peppery heat. As matters gradually settle down near the close, a demure sensation of ground almonds emerges.

Comment: Can't get enough of this one!
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby The Third Dram » Sun May 15, 2011 6:19 pm

Early Sunday afternoon here Sean, and I'm following up last night's twosome with...

Glengoyne 12 Year Old Cask Strength - 57.2%

Nose: Overripe pears and apples laced with gingery oak. Some orange zest too.

Palate: Viscous and very fruit laden mouth feel initially. Then the spices and alcohol hit hard. Despite the high strength, the whisky evens out fairly rapidly, permitting the pepper and ginger to play off nicely against notions of nuts and cream.

Now with a drop of water added...

Nose: Pretty much the same except that there's now an additional hint of honey. Furthermore, the orange zest has broadened to include even more citrusy lemon notes. Very clean and fresh overall.

Palate: I sense that typically Glengoyne solid core of barley malt emerging more forcefully now, and occupying center stage as the other nuances fall somewhat to the side. Very clean and quite salivating, all told. The spicy oak then kicks in toward the finish.

Comment: This one never seems to really 'fit in' as a logical stepping stone between the demure, easy drinking 10 Year Old and the more luxurious 17 Year Old. It is, instead, very much its own beast. I could happily alternate between this one and Glenlivet Nàdurra Cask Strength on many a summer evening. As evidence, my current bottle's almost 'toast'.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby The Third Dram » Sun May 15, 2011 7:32 pm

Scapa 12 Year Old - 40% (older Allied release)

Nose: Rich and ripe pear-mango fragrance from the very first whiff that's made all the more sumptuous by those momentary flashes of dune grass, salt and subtle smoke. Perhaps even a suggestion of pie crust, too.

Palate: Sweetness and dryness so tautly bound together that they coalesce into something neither sweet nor dry. Delicately spiced pears in honey. Soft and yet firm as clean ex-Bourbon oak deposits an overlay of vanilla cream. Those seashore notes then drift casually back into the picture.

Comment: OK. It's admittedly not a GREAT whisky. And I can only imagine what it would have been like bottled at higher strength. But it's still a lovely example of Scapa's charms, and head and shoulders above the comparatively lifeless 14 Year Old that took its place.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby The Third Dram » Mon May 16, 2011 2:01 pm

pkt77242 wrote:Doug have you had the 16yo? if so how does it comare to the 12 and 14 for you?

I haven't, Sean. And given its rather mediocre overall assessment by reviewers, not to mention the fact that a bottle runs well over CDN$100 in my neck of the woods, I'm shying away from purchasing any. There's just too much of greater merit in that price range for me to be attracted to the new Scapa.

Unless I find myself in a bar that stocks it, of course. :wink:
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Wed May 18, 2011 3:52 am

Wonder when Willie will join. Willie or won't he? :D

I'm going to have some Ancient Age Kentucky Straight Bourbon @40%.

Nose: almost like syrupy rye-very sweet yet kind of roughly grainy, vanilla notes, peanut shells, cooking oils?
Palate: unrefined grains, whisp of mint, almond and wanut shells, vanilla extract
Finish: rather long with grain and vanilla notes

Holding this on the palate for 60-90 seconds brings forth straw and green grass while muting the grains.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Wed May 18, 2011 6:53 am

At the end of an evening the Ancient still holds its own. Lots of mintiness, almond shells. Actually, more pleasant than when one starts....
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sun May 22, 2011 3:14 am

Balvenie 12 DW.

Nose: honey, heather and dry grasses, roasted apples, some very light smokiness
Palate: fruit salad, honey on toast, late summer grass
Finish: lingering sweetness-honey
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sun May 22, 2011 3:22 am

I'm going to try the Ten High again following the sweetness of the Doublewood.

Wow, really sweet. The bubblegum is really the powdered sugar on it. The freshly popped in piece of bubblegum.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sun May 22, 2011 4:59 am

Nothing classic in terms of first fill sherry. Recall that HP12 is vatting of 1st and 2nd fill sherry. It is very similar to HP12 except not the smokey quality.
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Re: May 2011 - BACK TO BASICS

Postby Ganga » Sun May 22, 2011 7:31 am

pkt77242 wrote:
Ganga wrote:Nothing classic in terms of first fill sherry. Recall that HP12 is vatting of 1st and 2nd fill sherry. It is very similar to HP12 except not the smokey quality.


agreed but I still get some oranges, nuts etc. that make me think of sherry.


Tonight I really didn't get that.
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