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The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby woodhill » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:56 pm

Thanks David
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby David22 » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:58 pm

PORTWOOD 21 HAS HAD SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER TO PICK UP CASK FLAVOURS. IT IS VERY DIFFERENT AS YOU KNOW. THE YOUNGER PORTWOODS WHILE GOOD, HAVE LESS OAKY NOTES IN COMPARISON. MAYBE YOU THINK WE COULD HAVE THEM SPEND LONGER FINISHING? HOWEVER, PORT FLAVOUR ISNT WHAT WE WANT. WHAT IS WANTED IS A HINT OF AN ALTERNATIVE FRUITINESS TO ADD COMPLEXITY.
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:58 pm

David what you say about the portwood is very interesting. I guess we would expect, pro-rata, that the portwood would have less effect on the 21 yo than the 1991 (i.e. less % of wood time is port wood). Or, possibly, if the 21years in other wood has mellowed the malt before it hits the port, then maybe it has more effect.

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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby woodhill » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:01 am

I think I was trying to suggest Willies second opinion.

David whatever the case they have done a fine job on both!
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:02 am

[quote="Ganga"][quote="Willie JJ"]Ganga don't you think there is a little element of solvent in the nose of Balvenie that doesn't appear in the HP? It's not a bad thing. Just different.[/quote]
I think I'd describe it as more estery than the HP.

Wait, there it is with bananas.[/quote]

I suspect we have the same idea just a different interpretation.

What is it with you and Bananas? Do you have shares in a banana company?
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ganga » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:04 am

The DW one more time.

DoubleWood from Three Pack

The Balvenie
Doublewood
Bananas, heather, malty sweetness
Honeyed cereals, late summer heather, a hint of apples, spices
Nice and spicey, some oakiness
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby David22 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:04 am

Well everyone, I have to climb the stairs of the hotel tonight - some kids have managed to cause the lift to malfunction! Oh well, may be I will call in to the bar for that energising Balvenie night cap! Which one should it be?! After all your comments - wonderful they are - I will have to make a decision! Should it be Single Barrel (I wonder which cask it is from - I have had some intriguingly smokey SBs) or PortWood? Hmmmmm - please help me make my decision now!
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ganga » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:06 am

Willie JJ wrote:I suspect we have the same idea just a different interpretation.

What is it with you and Bananas? Do you have shares in a banana company?


It's the old banana in the tail pipe thing. You haven't seen the new tasting notes either. :D
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ganga » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:08 am

Go for the single barrel. It's Russian roulette with a good result. :thumbsup:

I'm having a dram of the 21 Portwood in the Celtic Malts glass. Notes to follow.
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby David22 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:08 am

I also am a great banana fan. They feature big time with some blends. Banana is just lightly seens in Balvenie, in my opinion
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby woodhill » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:09 am

David

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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby David22 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:13 am

My opinion is that the Port Pipe finish has a fairly noticeable effect on the 21. The oakiness combines well with the Portiness. The younger PortWoods are of course less smooth which may detract from any portiness. Sorry if this sounds waffly!
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby woodhill » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:15 am

I think thats what we are finding, but I have just poured myself another '91 just to make sure...
Purely in the interests of research you will understand!
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby David22 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:15 am

Yes, that is me! It was almost a surreal day in Toronto and I have never been surrounded by so may journalists and tv crews! It was big new in Toronto and I loved every second of it!
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ganga » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:16 am

Portwood 21 again.

21 Portwood from Three Pack

The Balvenie
21 yo Portwood
Sawdust, very light heather and honey, light maltiness, faint fruits
Orange compote, heather, other floral, honey, malty, spicy
Long with a rich spiciness intermingle with dark orange flavors.
This seems so different. Must present this slightly differently to my palate.
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:17 am

Yeah David. Ganga is spot on. It's always nice to be surprised by a dram, especially when you are sure it will be a nice surprise.

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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ganga » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:17 am

woodhill wrote:I think thats what we are finding, but I have just poured myself another '91 just to make sure...
Purely in the interests of research you will understand!

You mean I've been doing something other than research? :o :P
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby woodhill » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:18 am

Thanks David.

Don't go being a stranger now.

Stick around!
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:18 am

Oh and on Balvenie Cask 191, have you tried it?
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ganga » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:20 am

Wait a minute, I just found raisins in the 21 Portwood. Really getting yummy now.
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby David22 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:20 am

Thanks very much everyone. I have really enjoyed chatting tonight. Was worried that I would manage it atall on this occasion. Take care, drink sensibly and enjoy!
Keep in touch if you can,
Very best wishes,
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby woodhill » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:21 am

Strange that.

Matt didnt send us a sample of that 191 stuff?

He should have done :iwbrnt:
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ganga » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:22 am

David, thank you for joining us tonight. I know I gained insight into The Balvenie range.
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby woodhill » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:23 am

Collector57 wrote:David

Do you have any information on why Balvenie would do away with one of the best of the range (The 10 yo FR) and replace it with something more bland?


I think it has something to do with needing stock of 12yo and older whiskies.

It is a shame though. Sitting around with some guys this Friday night we almost polished a complete bottle off. :P

I am going to stock up on this!
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby David22 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:24 am

Cask 191 - yes, tried it on a few occasions with David Stewart. It is a truly remarkable experience. Plenty dark chocolate, ginger spiciness and light smoke. Sorry to tease you but when I get the chance I never refuse!
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby woodhill » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:24 am

:twisted: :P
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:26 am

[quote="Ganga"]Wait a minute, I just found raisins in the 21 Portwood. Really getting yummy now.[/quote]

Ganga are you sure the kids didn't drop them in when you weren't looking?
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ganga » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:27 am

Well gentlemen (and ladies if they are still lurking), I am being kicked off the computer. Thank you for the enjoyable afternoon.
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ganga » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:27 am

Willie JJ wrote:
Ganga wrote:Wait a minute, I just found raisins in the 21 Portwood. Really getting yummy now.


Ganga are you sure the kids didn't drop them in when you weren't looking?


They wouldn't dare. They want me off the computer. :P
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby David22 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:28 am

I understand your disappointment on the 10 subject. But, as you know, evolution affects Balvenie too and while 10 will be put to rest after next year, we think David Stewart has made a good decision and yes, it is a good idea to put aside some 10 for your personal archives!!!
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:28 am

I have to say I thought the Signature was fine. I wasn't in anyway disappointed with it. Do you think I should rip the top off a founders reserve to check?
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:29 am

Night Ganga.
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby David22 » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:29 am

Good night everyone. This is my final message!
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby woodhill » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:30 am

Ganga - time to treat yourself to a laptop and a wireless connection!
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Re: The Balvenie - 29 March 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:31 am

Night David
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