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The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT


Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Fri May 16, 2008 8:53 pm

That 30 yo Fine Oak sure does sound yummy Treacle!!!! :smoke:
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby arkle » Fri May 16, 2008 8:54 pm

Hi all,
just reading through the postings,I only have the sample from Matt(which I have tasted) but can you tell me the difference in flavour between sherry and wood?ie is the bitter taste the wood?
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby TheShrink » Fri May 16, 2008 8:56 pm

The Macallan 15 yr old Fine Oak

Colour : Again, a glorious warm amber. Although it's spent 50% longer in the cask than the sherried 10 yr old I just tried, it's appreciably paler.

Nose : Again, I get sherry. The 43% alcohol lifts out sweetness as before but also a more typically whisky aroma, and unlike the sherried 10 YO I get a hint of cut wood. The hint of sweet fruit (ripe peach) in the 10 YO has shifted to a more restrained sweetness (raisins?).

Palate : Chewing gives tingles up the middle of my tongue, almost to both sides. Very smooth again, somthing that's very inviting and entices me to sip more, I could easily enjoy this all evening! There's still the sherry flavour and buttery/creaminess but also more of a malt/barley thing going on, too.

Finish : Again, a long and pleasant finish. Really long, it's taking an age to get to the end of the finish to see what's there! Sweetness and a hard woodiness combine, shifting from raisnis/sherry tones in to wood, through the finish.

Just for the record although we're up from 40% to 43% I still (as is my wont) drank this without water.

Sadly, although a more complex and arguably a "better" malt, I much prefer the sherried 18 year old Macallan. Although simpler, what it does it does so well, such that I even favour my sherried 10 year old over this. Ho hum!
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 16, 2008 8:59 pm

Arkle wood can offer a bitter taste; maybe like coffee grounds, but it can have vanilla notes, or be spicy or very dry too. It really depends on how it presents itself in the dram. Not tried the 30 yet so can't be specific. Will get there soon.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby TheShrink » Fri May 16, 2008 9:00 pm

Re : The 15 year old Fine Okak

After the tasting and writing below I read what Michael Jackson and Dave Broom thought, I can see why Dave Broom gets "hot sawdust" from, even though I don't get anything like that vivid.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Fri May 16, 2008 9:01 pm

arkle wrote:Hi all,
just reading through the postings,I only have the sample from Matt(which I have tasted) but can you tell me the difference in flavour between sherry and wood?ie is the bitter taste the wood?


arkle, without a dram in front of me, this may be hard to explain. I'm going to try though. The wood tastes in Macallan I get are more like a whisp of wood smoke, on the palate. The sherry is definitely the sweeter tastes, with mixed fruits/spices etc. I suppose either could be the bitterness you're getting though. Drink lots of water to cleanse your palate and try again. Sometimes depending on what I've ate for dinner etc, the sherried malts taste different. I hope this helps.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby arkle » Fri May 16, 2008 9:02 pm

Thank you, I'll give it a go and try again!
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby mikeymad » Fri May 16, 2008 9:06 pm

Thanks for your notes on the 10yo Willie, and thanks for not saying Sherry. When I have Macallan, I don't really think Sherry, I think of all the components. Cooked oranges, spices, cinnamon, cooked apples, raisins. It is like when I have sherry and wine, I don't say, yep, tastes like Sherry, tastes like wine....

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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Matt2 » Fri May 16, 2008 9:06 pm

Hi Arkle, I often find wood to be more of a mouthfeel than a taste as such, but quite often a bitter note. Although some woods come across quite sweet. Hope that helps :? :wink:
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby TreacleSponge » Fri May 16, 2008 9:07 pm

Hi Arkle. I'm not so good at articulating flavours as this lot, but the big difference between the 10 and 30 I found tonight is that the 30 is much drier & spicier, the 10 sweeter, so maybe that's the wood?
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Fri May 16, 2008 9:10 pm

mikeymad wrote:Thanks for your notes on the 10yo Willie, and thanks for not saying Sherry. When I have Macallan, I don't really think Sherry, I think of all the components. Cooked oranges, spices, cinnamon, cooked apples, raisins. It is like when I have sherry and wine, I don't say, yep, tastes like Sherry, tastes like wine....

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Great explanation Mikey! Good to have a Macallan expert around! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby arkle » Fri May 16, 2008 9:11 pm

Interesting,I tried again after copious amounts of water and the flavour was different;sweeter and less bitter. Then after a couple more sips it was different again,losing most of the bitterness except right on the finish;but is this just habituation?
I like it much more on the fourth tasting than the first.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 16, 2008 9:15 pm

Dram number 2; the top comes off a bottle of the Fine oak 10yo.

Fine Oak 10

The Macallan
Fine Oak
Apples and pears. Porridge. Horlicks.
Very oily, slightly linseedy. Creme caramel. Spicy, tatses of cardboard.
Much shorter and less interesting than the sherried 10. Still cardboardy.
Not bad, but I prefer the sherry.
Bright gold
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10 Years Old
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40%
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Matt2 » Fri May 16, 2008 9:18 pm

Good point Treacle about being drier. I've just had a sip of my other older ones and they all have a dryness to them. Wood influence = Dryness and loss of sweetness ?? Where are the chemists when you need them

Did you find the Lochside sample dry?
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Matt2 » Fri May 16, 2008 9:21 pm

mikeymad wrote:It is like when I have sherry and wine, I don't say, yep, tastes like Sherry, tastes like wine....


When I have a sherry I usually say 'Oh it's like that Macallan 15' :P :D
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 16, 2008 9:21 pm

Yes that drying is typical of older and more woody whiskies. When they get past it it can be like chewing pencils.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Fri May 16, 2008 9:23 pm

Willie, I agree there. I prefer the sherried Macallans, but I can still appreciate the Fine Oak ones as well. In the 15yo FO I have, I can't help but getting a wicked bourbon finish. It's a good thing though, I enjoy bourbon. I don't know if that's because I'm reading into it too much or what. My Brother said the same thing before I even mentioned it, and before I let him read the label.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby TreacleSponge » Fri May 16, 2008 9:24 pm

Matt Page wrote:Good point Treacle about being drier. I've just had a sip of my other older ones and they all have a dryness to them. Wood influence = Dryness and loss of sweetness ?? Where are the chemists when you need them

Did you find the Lochside sample dry?

Dry and peppery. And there was something dusty about it, like a rack of old suits in an attic or a barn of straw bales.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby arkle » Fri May 16, 2008 9:25 pm

The Macallan

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Fine Oak
spirity nosewith a hint of playdoh,hazelnut,cinnamon,vanilla and a hint of acetone?
Marzipan,ginger bursts in,fizzy ;then sugared almonds,then bitter almond
Bitter finish,drying,bitter marmalade and hint of dark cocolate
Found it astringent/bitter on first taste, but have warmed to it on 5th tasting!I need to keep re visiting this I think
amber
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby mikeymad » Fri May 16, 2008 9:25 pm

Matt Page wrote:When I have a sherry I usually say 'Oh it's like that Macallan 15' :P :D


That is more like it... :thumbsup:

Well played... wish I could try a bit of the 30FO. That and the 8yo I think are the only ones in the FO series that I have not had.

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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby TreacleSponge » Fri May 16, 2008 9:25 pm

TreacleSponge wrote: And there was something dusty about it, like a rack of old suits in an attic or a barn of straw bales.

Or maybe the dust just fell of the Lochside into the sample bottle :P
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Dram fine idea » Fri May 16, 2008 9:28 pm

Hi folks

I'll pop in later tonight - so far I've enjoyed the comments posted

Cheers
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Fri May 16, 2008 9:41 pm

Dram fine idea wrote:Hi folks

I'll pop in later tonight - so far I've enjoyed the comments posted

Cheers
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DFI, Hope to see you later, I'll be back around 9pm EST. And some of the guys on the West coast will be around later as well.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 16, 2008 9:43 pm

No bottle opening here. A nice sample of 30yo Fine Oak. Thanks Matt.

30 yo Fine Oak

The Macallan
Fine Oak
This is more like it. A little of the painty/acetone smell that Arkle gets, but its not unpleasant. Surprisingly I get some real marmalade in this. Think the extra 3% ABV helps. Custard and vanilla.
Definite spicy wood, but more of the Sandalwood type than old wood. Not at all musty. Very dark, slightly bitter chocolate. Less oily than the younger versions.
Medium length, slightly drying. Some bitterness, but not unpleasant.
The nose offers great promise but the palate doesn't really follow through. It's good but not as good as the nose suggests. A very pleasant dram though.
Light orange marmalade
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Fri May 16, 2008 9:46 pm

Good notes Arkle and Willie on the 30yo FO. Sounds like an interesting one.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby arkle » Fri May 16, 2008 9:53 pm

Willie, you mention 'oily',what is that? is it a mouth feel or a taste?,cos often people refer to Caol Ila as oily and Im not sure what they mean.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Fri May 16, 2008 9:57 pm

arkle wrote:Willie, you mention 'oily',what is that? is it a mouth feel or a taste?,cos often people refer to Caol Ila as oily and Im not sure what they mean.


Typically when someone says 'oily' they are describing the mouth feel. A heavy/oily dram tends to coat your mouth well, and thus an 'oily' description. I hope this is helpful.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby arkle » Fri May 16, 2008 10:03 pm

More like the mouthfeel of some grain whiskies?
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 16, 2008 10:10 pm

Ok another bottle to open now. SMWS 24.78;

24.78 Mac

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Macallan
Chardonnay, linseed oil. Oranges and carbide. Yeast.
Aak! Somebody just struck a match in my mouth. Really powerful. Where did I get this bottle? I seem to recollect that someone gave it to me. I think they must have had two. Hard to pick flavours out of this, but there is an underlying delicious stewed orange taste.
The cordite comes racing back here. Strangely it isn't that unpleasant. Offers a lot of exciting sensation on the tongue. Hmm, interesting. The oranges seem to have had gunpowder sprinkled on them and then ignited. Once it settles the oranges return sizzling as they come.
I would never have chosen to buy a bottle of this but it is really interesting and not unpleasant. I wonder if the power of the cordite will fade after the bottle has been open for a while.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Fri May 16, 2008 10:12 pm

OOOOH Willie, that one sounds pretty interesting. :shock:
A bit of sulphur would you say??
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 16, 2008 10:13 pm

ryguy wrote:
arkle wrote:Willie, you mention 'oily',what is that? is it a mouth feel or a taste?,cos often people refer to Caol Ila as oily and Im not sure what they mean.


Typically when someone says 'oily' they are describing the mouth feel. A heavy/oily dram tends to coat your mouth well, and thus an 'oily' description. I hope this is helpful.
Ryan


Yes I entirely agree with Ryan. It is really about mouthfeel and Macallan typically has that mouth coating oiliness. None of the samples here have been exceptions to that.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 16, 2008 10:15 pm

ryguy wrote:OOOOH Willie, that one sounds pretty interesting. :shock:
A bit of sulphur would you say??

Yes really sulphury Ryan, but it is that coal-gas/hot sand effect rather than the stinky marsh gas or rubbery kind.
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby mikeymad » Fri May 16, 2008 10:17 pm

Interesting Willie....

#24.78 title - Orange toffee and Jaffa Cakes
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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Ryguy » Fri May 16, 2008 10:18 pm

Definitely sounds interesting though Willie. I haven't had a bottle on the sulphury side yet I guess.
But your description was very good.

Well everyone, time to leave work then I'm heading to teeball (baseball for little kids) practice with my boys. Will be back later, hope to see some of you then.

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Re: The Macallan - 16 May 2008 @ 7pm GMT

Postby Willie JJ » Fri May 16, 2008 10:21 pm

mikeymad wrote:Interesting Willie....

#24.78 title - Orange toffee and Jaffa Cakes

That's not on the bottle, but the orangeyness is definitely there. I guess the sulphur might settle down a bit now that its open.

Edit:
Actually it is starting to breathe a bit already and its coming on stronger like a really heavy marmalade. Mmmm.
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