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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby AdamMY » Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:54 pm

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AdamMY,

I noticed on your blog that you reviewed McCarthy's Single Malt from Oregon. I found where I could buy it but was unable to get a price. Do you remember what you paid for it?



I got it from Binny's... and I think they seem to have deals for some of the American Whiskey's. I want to say I paid in the 35-40 USD range. But I will say if you are looking for something different, its well worth that price. I'd say its about on the same level as the Caol Ila 12 year old in my book, which seems to be priced around 50 USD.

I'd easily say this would sell for a lot more if people didn't look down on it thinking its only 3 years old.

Sorry for the delayed response, I've had somewhat of a bum internet connection at home, and bed time seems to come before I can get to all of the posts.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby The Third Dram » Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:30 pm

AdamMY wrote:I'd easily say this would sell for a lot more if people didn't look down on it thinking it's only 3 years old.

The quality of the distillate is, in my opinion, undeniable. And the influence from the oak is spot-on clean, though it unfortunately doesn't manage to carry through to the finish. Perhaps a little blunter overall than much of its Islay competition, but a whisky well worth trying nonetheless.

The peat aspect is quite tasty indeed!
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby Liechtenstein » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:58 pm

Thanks, AdamMY & The Third Dram for your answer and comments. I'll be in the Washington DC area in mid-September and plan to pick up a bottle of the SM from Oregon.

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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby bcrossan » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:31 am

I just did my first blend.... 1:1 of Macallan CS and Laphroaig 10 CS. I have loved the sherried Islays I have tried so hopefully I created a masterpiece... or at least something I won't have to pitch :lol:
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby bcrossan » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:16 am

pkt77242 wrote:
bcrossan wrote:I just did my first blend.... 1:1 of Macallan CS and Laphroaig 10 CS. I have loved the sherried Islays I have tried so hopefully I created a masterpiece... or at least something I won't have to pitch :lol:


Well, how did it come out?

Sean


Very good actually. I was not liking the Laph 10 CS much (vs the regular 10) but I like it a lot with 50% Mac CS. Reminded me a lot of Laga DE :thumbsup:
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby bcrossan » Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:19 pm

I can send you a sample of my Macphroaig CS if you are interested! :thumbsup:
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby Liechtenstein » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:03 am

Interesting marriage tonight between the Down-and-out and the Rich-and-famous: about 2oz of Johnnie Walker Red and ½oz of Bowmore 18 got together in my glass.

They lived happily ever after!

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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby LeoDLion » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:33 pm

I bought a good cream sherry from Spain. I then added about 150 cc to 5 liters of maturing whisky in an oak barrel. I will let it sit for several months. I am trying to come up with whisky with a strong sherry taste like Abunadh.

I have several 5-liter oak barrels that was flavored with sherry. But the sherry flavor was not strong enough. I am thinking that by adding good sherry directly to the whisky and letting it sit for months that it will develop a strong sherry flavor. We'll see.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby Reggaeblues » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:55 pm

bcrossan wrote:I can send you a sample of my Macphroaig CS if you are interested! :thumbsup:


A local Scottish barmaid told me about this, how her friends north of the border mix the 2 an call it (unsurprisingly) "Macfrog."

It should , in theory, work. I had an SMWS "sherried" Laproaig that I really enjoyed.

However when I took this lass's advice and had her serve me a mix of equal measures of "normal" Mac 10YO(NOT "Fine Oak!") and standard 10YO Lap, they seemed to cancel each other out...

But it was a hot day, I was on a long walk, and my tastebuds could have been fried...

I do recall adding about 1 part Ardbeg 10 to 4 parts of Mac CS and was amazed how the Ardie cut through. My CS Mac had a lovely smoky finish, despite out-voluming the Ardbeg 4:1
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby The Third Dram » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:34 pm

Just illustrates how a little Islay (well, a bold one such as the Ardbeg, at any rate) can go a LONG way in a mix. I love creating these sorts of blends that embellish the characteristics of Highland and/or Lowland malts with those of the islands.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby The Third Dram » Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:21 pm

jmrl wrote:Or does Bourbon/Canadian adequatlely substiute for Scottich grain?

I'd recommend staying away from utilizing either of these options for the time being. Bourbon will tend to overpower a Scotch blend if incorporated in any significant quantity, owing to its normally quite pronounced corn-based sweetness and relatively high wood extractive nature. As for Canadian whisky, I would think the intrinsically delicate balance of most examples might either get lost in or else clash with the flavour thrusts of the single malt Scotches in the blend.

There was a very interesting article in Whisky Magazine a year or two ago (I believe) concerning concocting just such 'international' blends. It would be worthwhile searching that piece out.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby The Third Dram » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:24 pm

jmrl wrote:What to use to stitch it all together?

Further to this discussion, you may possibly find an article I penned of some interest. Go to http://www.cigarweekly.com and look for my A Rich Pour Column No. 13, entitled One For All & All For One. Although this piece only addresses the vatting of Scotch malt whiskies, it does offer my personal take on what works and what does not.

The 2 primary keys, as I see it, are to settle on a specific taste-parameter goal before even addressing the selection of whiskies you'll choose, and to use one, a couple or no more than a few malts as your 'core' whiskies in the blend. It's critical to harmonize the wood regimens of the various spirits selected while not 'losing' the main characteristics of any of the constituent components.

Given that you seem to be contemplating utilizing a significant grain whisky component in the blending process, it occurs to me that there are two major potential strategies you might adopt - either to try younger grain whiskies as a foil to the older malts, or to go with older grain spirits so that they meld seamlessly with the more venerable malts. I'd think the former tact would offer the benefit of greater overall liveliness, while the latter would lead to a more 'serene' and more heavily wood influenced blend.

Hope I've been of some little help here.

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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby Drammed » Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:44 am

I don't think this has been mentioned but I like to mix 2 parts Dalwhinnie 15 yr with 1 part Isle of Jura Superstition. a Dal Jura if you will. The little bit of Superstition really helps cut the floral taste of the Dalwhinnie and replaces it with a slight smokey flavour but it retains the maners of the Dalwhinnie. very enjoyable :thumbsup:
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby 37degrees » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:42 pm

My first attempt:

The NAS Connamara which I didn't love, and a rather boring Famous Grouse. Approx. half and half. The result is probably better than both the originals.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby AdamMY » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:07 am

Made an Irish American or Black Mark, mix of Bushmills black bush, and Makers Mark. Nose is a spicy trail mix, with raisins nuts, and oats. with a dusting of pepper.

And I must say the taste of this is closer to the black bush, but the finish is all makers mark... which I must say highlights some of the better aspects of both. Not bad at all. Although I think something might be off with my tastebuds today as the glass of black bush I had earlier was so incredibly smooth it tasted like sherried water with no alcohol.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby Liechtenstein » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:13 am

The guy I'm working for at the moment gave me three 950ml cans of Budweiser beer because his wife told him to stop drinking.

I was thinking of making my own «vatting» by pouring some whisky into the beer (tomorrow evening).

This is what I'm willing to use in the beer:

-Bowmore 18
-Laga 16
-Caol Ila 12
-Talisker 10
-Bushmills Black Bush
-Jim Beam Black

Any suggestions on what would go well with Bud's «Beechwood Aged» taste?

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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby AdamMY » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:45 am

Makers mark, Famous grouse and a bit of black bush. Honeyed spice bread.

But quite spicy, peppery on the taste buds. And Its got a unique finish this pulls it all together.

It would be great if it was a bit lighter on the peppers.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby AdamMY » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:29 am

lockejn wrote:
AdamMY wrote:Makers mark, Famous grouse and a bit of black bush. Honeyed spice bread.

But quite spicy, peppery on the taste buds. And Its got a unique finish this pulls it all together.

It would be great if it was a bit lighter on the peppers.

That really sounds divine. Equal parts of each?



I had a few drams of Makers mark left in the bottle, to that I added roughly the equivalent of the Grouse, and I had about one dram of black bush left, which I added to the mix.

so its about 3 parts each Makers Mark and Grouse, and 1 part BB
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby Liechtenstein » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:47 am

Ganga wrote:
Liechtenstein wrote:The guy I'm working for at the moment gave me three 950ml cans of Budweiser beer because his wife told him to stop drinking.

I was thinking of making my own «vatting» by pouring some whisky into the beer (tomorrow evening).

This is what I'm willing to use in the beer:

-Bowmore 18
-Laga 16
-Caol Ila 12
-Talisker 10
-Bushmills Black Bush
-Jim Beam Black

Any suggestions on what would go well with Bud's «Beechwood Aged» taste?

:?:


I'd suggest a couple of different attempts. Afterall you have a fair bit of Bud. I think Jim Beam has the best potential for working really well. The oily, peaty nature of the CI12 would likely be quite interesting featured on the canvas of hops. Laga16 and it smoky sherry based sounds interesting but may not work. And here's the nice thing, you can fill a glass with the brew and keep adding a little whisky until it's proven to be unenjoyable or gets drinkable.

The one I don't think would work very well is the Bowmore 18.


Thanks, Ganga, for your thoughts on this matter. Here are my findings:

I always drink craft beer now and will only have a commercial beer if it is served to me at someone's home. I had not had Budweiser in many years so I first tasted their product neat: «watery» is the only word that comes to mind to describe Bud. This beer is surprisingly light tasting - almost delicate, like a pink rose - and it is not my style of beer at all. I prefer bold and assertive brews.

The Caol Ila 12 was a disaster as a match for the Bud. Actually, only a few drops of any of the scotches would overpower the Bud. You did predict correctly that Jim Beam Black would be the best match...I can't say the match was good...it was just less offensive than any of the Islands or Irish whiskies.

My 3 Big Cans of Bud are gone. I like doing this kind of experiment!

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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby lancj1 » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:24 pm

I had a Talivulin or Lagasker (work it out...) by accident at the weekend, when my farther in law topped us up in the hotel bar, pouring the dram he got on his round into the almost still full dram I already had. It was interesting, but not sure I would choose it over either individual brand
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby 37degrees » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:03 pm

The Highland Park 12 is said to be a bit thin though it has a very nice taste. The Knappogue Castle 1995 has some thick maltiness I think, but apart from that it's quite boring. The half and half mix is better than the originals.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby robbi@laurenson.com » Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:16 am

I find I've been struggling with a couple of malts, Dalwhinnie 15 and Cragganmore 12 in particular. I find them pleasant and unoffensive, but not much more than that. They need a certain 'something' to wake them up.

I find the Caol Ila profile works very well for this task: it doesn't overpower the host whisky but adds depth and dimension to make it genuinely enjoyable without having to hunt for appreciation in the tasting.

CI 12 has become a routine 'whisky saviour' for lackluster malts that would otherwise languish in my cupboard.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby The Third Dram » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:37 am

A spur of the moment melange, consisting of:

A drop of Ardbeg Uigeadail
A drop or two of Highland Park 15 Year Old Earl Magnus
A drop or two of Old Pulteney 12 Year Old
A few drops of Glenlivet 15 Year Old French Oak Reserve

This combination has it all. :thumbsup:
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby The Third Dram » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:33 pm

Ganga... I find that you have to be a little more cautious when combining predominantly ex-Bourbon barrel matured and ex-European Sherry oak matured malts together, as the fruity and spicy qualities of each don't always meld that well (i.e. they, as in your experience mentioned above, sometimes tend to cancel one another out rather than enhance one another). Plus the Glenmorangie possesses such a delicately complex palate presence to begin with.

I usually utilize Highland Park as a 'crossover' (perhaps 'binder' is a more descriptive term) malt in my home blends rather than as one of the core malts, as it provides a balanced flavour profile including most of the primary taste constituents (sweet honeyed malt, heather, salt, subtle peat).

I bet a combination along the lines of 7 parts Glenmorangie, 2 parts Highland Park and 1 part of an ex-Bourbon barrel Islay (10YO Ardbeg, 10YO Laphroaig or 12YO Cask Strength Lagavulin, for instance) might pleasantly surprise you!
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby The Third Dram » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:14 am

Evocatively stated, Ganga. Sounds tasty indeed. :thumbsup:

As it happens, I spent the better part of the afternoon today concocting a couple of home-blended malts for Holiday Season gift-giving.

I concentrated on utilizing open bottles and smaller 'library' samples for these two...

First up, a coastal & island accentuated blended malt whisky:

A melding of 14 malt whiskies clocking in at 43.4% alcohol by volume.

My aim here was to create a clean, complex and vibrant whisky with a slight emphasis on ex-Bourbon cask maturation as well as more than a hint of marine-like and smoke-infused characteristics to balance the malt sweetness.

Ardbeg Old Malt Cask 10 Year Old Distilled 1990 & Bottled 2001
Arran Bourbon Single Cask Distilled 1998 & Bottled 2009
Benriach Curiositas 10 Year Old
Brora Rare Malts Selection Cask Strength 20 Year Old Distilled 1982 & Bottled 2003
Caol Ila Distillers Edition Moscatel Cask Finish Distilled 1996 & Bottled 2008
Highland Park Earl Magnus 15 Year Old
Lagavulin Cask Strength 12 Year Old Bottled 2004
Laphroaig 15 Year Old
Longrow CV
Oban Distillers Edition Montilla Fino Cask Finish Distilled 1983 & Bottled 2000
Old Pulteney 12 Year Old
Scapa 12 Year Old
Springbank 10 Year Old
Talisker 10 Year Old

Colour: Bright 14-Carat gold.
Nose: An overtly medicinal fragrance softened by malt notes. Lemon curd meets machine oil. Saltine crackers. A hint of grapefruit.
Palate: At once sharply etched and oily textured, with salt, pepper and peat encapsulating notions of vanilla, liquorice, citrus, Granny Smith apples, pears and almonds.
Finish: Ever so slightly drier as the flavours coalesce and the oak grips. Then a whisper of lingering sweetness.

Next up, a Highland & Sherry cask accentuated blended malt whisky:

A melding of 21 malts coming in at 48.6% alcohol by volume.

My aim here was to create a rich and notably Sherry cask enhanced whisky combining the attributes of youthful vigour and greater maturity, with an emphasis on Highland-derived complexity.

Aberlour a'bunadh Cask Strength Batch No. 6
Arran Sherry Single Cask Distilled 1998 & Bottled 2009
Auchentoshan Three Wood
Bowmore Sherry Matured Cask Strength 16 Year Old Distilled 1990
Braeval Old Malt Cask Sherry Butt Matured 10 Year Old
Brora Rare Malts Selection Cask Strength 20 Year Old Distilled 1982 & Bottled 2003
Dallas Dhu Historic Scotland Cask Strength 24 Year Old Distilled 1982
Dalwhinnie 15 Year Old
Dufftown 12 Year Old
Glen Elgin Cask Strength 16 Year Old
Glenfarclas 25 Year Old
Glengoyne Cask Strength 12 Year Old
Glen Keith 10 Year Old
Glenlivet French Oak Finish 12 Year Old
Highland Park 25 Year Old
Longmorn 16 Year Old
Macallan Cask Strength
Mortlach Rare Malts Selection Cask Strength 22 Year Old Distilled 1972
Royal Lochnagar 12 Year Old
Springbank 10 Year Old
Talisker Distillers Edition Amoroso Cask Finish Distilled 1986

Colour: Amber gold.
Nose: Composed. Heather and honey along with dried apricots, sultanas and figs. Crêpe Suzette. A whiff of polished oak.
Palate: A overture of glycerine-textured sweetness. Pecan fruitcake. Seville orange marmalade. Then cocoa, cinnamon and coffee nuances as the oak begins to play a more prominent role.
Finish: Spicier still as warming embers lend a salt-tinged, bittersweet note. Long and balanced.

I think the first blend will make for an excellent pre-dinner dram while the second is obviously better suited for post prandial pouring.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby Megawatt » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:18 am

I've been mixing some Springbank 12 year old cask strength with Bowmore Tempest. Usually just a splash of Springbank but tonight I used about a 3:1 ratio. It adds a nice fruitiness and complexity to the Tempest, which is a nice whisky but rather simple on its own.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby AdamMY » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:21 am

A roughly 1:1 Glen Moray Classic and Ardmore Traditional Casks.

Is there such a thing as clean peat? This loses a lot of the young character that Glen Moray Classic has, while getting a slight touch of peat and depth from the Ardmore TC. Not sure if I like this better or worse than the Ardmore TC by itself.

Ardmore TC by itself has far more honey with hints of peat. While this Vatting is Lemon drops and peat. Honestly depends on how much you want the fresh lemon taste.
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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby Ol' Jas » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:22 am

This is probably my favorite thread I've read since finding this site. Pouring different whiskies together is just a great way to "play" with our playthings!

I have two strategies:

First, I have a biggish decanter (1L?). Into it goes a generous pour from every non-special bottle I get my hands on. Into it goes the last little bit of (most) bottles that I want to prevent from oxidizing. Into it goes anything that I don't especially enjoy. This decanter provides a few benefits:
* I get to use the decanter, which I received as a gift.
* I have a bottle that keeps changing.
* I don't risk the last bits of a bottle.
* I get some use of the disappointing bottles.
* I have a ready supply of juice I can pour with zero regret over losing a measure of something I care about.
* I get to "hold onto" all my old whiskies that I might not ever buy again. Forever, that decanter will include at least a little bit of those oldies for my sentimental heart.

Second, I have a smaller bottle (20cL?) that previously held Lagavulin 16. Into it goes a measured pour of each of my good bottles. (I'm not a real high roller; "good bottles" for me are things like Laph CS, Springbank 100 proof, Glen Scotia 12, Laddie Rocks, Talisker DE. Stuff in the $40-$60 range.)
* This bottle is more of an experiment than anything else, but it also effectively provides me a new & different high-quality whisky without me shelling out for another one. It's tasty.
* Like the dump decanter, it preserves for all time a small piece of the good bottles that I might never buy again -- as long as I never completely drain it.

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Re: Your Own Vatting/Blend

Postby whiskgeek » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:47 am

I found Quinta Ruban and Talisker 10 mixed at 3:1 to be good. Slightly better than the Quinta Ruban alone.
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