Re: The smell of Peat
Hi All, Just back from hols so haven't had a chance to post any further on this.
First things first, JG, I hope I was not being referred to as an arrogant fool for trying the comparissons I was making on this debate. I presume not, as I was merely trying to take a somewhat balanced view on these discussions.
A couple of things strike me about the way this ongoing discussion on whisky descriptions is developing.
I seems to have started when JG experessed his, by now very clear, opinion that people are going over the top on didtheir desciptions. This was met with some, to be honest, very dismissive comments towards JG from a lot of the people here. This seems to have resulted in JG becoming quite militant in making his point, and everyone else becoming quite militant in responding. It is now spilling over onto a great number of topics to do with tastings.
The funny thing is is that, if you think about it, this seems to have become a debate on the best way to have fun. What's the point in that?
JG, I agree, to a point, with some of what you say. Descriptions can be overblown etc. But, as I said before, people are enjoying themselves, so what's thet problem. Comparing it to LSD etc. is pointless, it's not the same thing. Particularly as you have sadi yourself that the point of drining is to get loaded! And some of the reaction you have got has been quite hostile. And you've responded by portraying youself as the man of the people, the revolutionary, standing up agaisnt oppression.
Do you ever wonder why people are hostile - here's what I think, for what its worth.
(1) It's perfectly acceptable to put forward a dissenting view and to ask people not to try and impose their views on you. But don't you see that you're doing the same thing. It's a bit like 20th century communism. WE ARE THE PEOPLE RISING AGAINST OUR OPPRESSORS. NOW THE PEOPLE MUST DO IT OUR WAY. Think Animal Farm.
(2) You've made it clear your view on such matters as apricots etc. Fair enough. I think everyone knows your opinion. The problem goes back to what I said before. THEY ARE ENJOYING IT! If someone want's to start a topic discussing apricots, dead cats , or whatever they taste in their whisky, they are having fun discussing it with like minded people then let them off. It shouldn't bother enough to have to point out your objection every time. It's like having a party but someone keeps bursting in the door telling you you're playing the wrong music. It's what they like.
(3) Please do not take this as an attempt to silence you, but remember the forum is a place for like minded people to waffle away about whisky to their hearts content. Most people I know think it's ridiculous to be discussing whisky on the interent at any level. I don't care. I like it.
(4) I found I was going off topic a lot at one stage to rant on about the things that annoyed me about the Irish whiskey industry. So I started a topic specifically for that purpose. Whay not do the same. Start a "Things JG thinks are ridiculous" topic. I promise to participate, as I'm sure Reggaeblues etc. will. I enjoy a good argument, as do many people. I will be fun. And then the apricot smellers can work away to thier hearts content without you or I discussing whether we think they really can in their midst.
(5) Not all descriptions of smells are that ridiculous. It's just the use of flowery language to make life more interesting. I'm thinking of old Pure Pot Still Irish whiskey's here. There often described as having a musty aroma. In my opinion they do. That doesn't mean I think they're mouldy or damp. It's just an arome. It has been described as "damp raincoats". Ridiculous I agree. There's definitely no raincoats in whiskey. But, where would literature be if every description was merely functional. Is that not part of what makes a great write. It's not just the story, it's how they describe it. Where would Irish literature be without flowery language. What about poetry? Why write a poem. Why not just say what's on your mind. BECAUSE PEOPLE ENJOY IT. And no I'm not into poetry at all, it's just an example.
(6) You should not be criticised for putting JWR on a par with malts. If that's what you like then why not. As I've said before, Powers NAS is one of my favourites. But that's the point. I've said it before. I don't need to put it as an addendum to every other post.
Anyway, in summary, my real point is that a debate about the best way to have fun where each side is rying to force their opinion on the other is rather strange.
Anyway, I look forward to continuing this on the appropiate forum.