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Postby richard » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:54 pm

just a note in the sun newspaper in england

just 261 bottles of rare 40 year old ardbeg 1965 go on sale this week at £2000.00 a time

thats all it said

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Postby Thomas H. » Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:18 pm

I think it's nonsence. Independent bottlers have single cask bottlings all the time, with series of maybe 300 bottles. They are more expensive then a normal OB single malt, sure, but not that expensive.

I'm trying to figure out why this one needs to cost so much. Is it the age? I doubt it. Look at the Whisky That Cannot Be Named. A 50 year old Glenfarclas from Adelphi. Rougly 750 euros a bottle. Yeah, that's expensive, and I can see why, but not all that unreasonable.

So why does Ardbeg want almost almost 3000 euros for single malt?
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:05 pm

I recently heard that this was now being released.

Apparently the majority of bottles are going on sale at Harrods and a couple of other exclusive London Stores!

Each bottle contains an amount of Islay sand in the glass ......

I'll look out the exact quote and post it here later.

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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:27 pm

Here it is:

"An exclusive whisky priced at around £2,000 per bottle will soon be
hitting the shelves of the world's more exclusive shops.
At just under 40 years old, the single malt is the rarest ever
released from its distillery on the Scottish island of Islay.
Only 261 bottles of Ardbeg 1965 are going on sale, of which 100 will
be released to UK retailers.
It comes in a hand-blown glass bottle which comes with a numbered wax
seal to prove its authenticity.

The bottle itself contains a sprinkling of Islay sand in its glass.

Despite its price tag, the 41.3% ABV drink is likely to attract a
high level of interest from whisky lovers, according to Harrods food
spokesman Andre Dang.

"There is a demand for it simply because there are a number of
connoisseurs who love collecting something very rare and very
prestigious - and then there are the people who actually drink it.
This will probably be extremely popular," he said.

The most expensive 40-year-old whisky currently on sale at Harrods is
priced at £1,400.

But the Ardbeg 1965 is not the most expensive single malt ever to hit
the market. Previous whiskies aged 40 years plus have retailed for
£4,000 and above.

The Scotch Whisky Association`s director of consumer affairs Campbell
Evans said the Ardbeg 1965 would be sought-after by whisky
enthusiasts.

"The person buying this - if they choose to drink it rather than
collect it - would expect a smoky whisky with the aroma of the sea
and saltiness coming through it," he said.

The Ardbeg 1965 will be available at Harrods, Selfridges, Harvey
Nichols and other selected stores.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:29 pm

Now remember "Don't shoot the messenger"!

I personally would like to know how this becomes the "Rarest ever from the distillery"?

There are 261 bottles, but there were only 165 bottles of this years Feis Ile bottling!
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Postby Di Blasi » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:34 pm

That posting sounds great, quite a special bottling, thanks Malt Teaser! The Ardbeg importer for Norway told me a few months back about this, and perhaps 3 bottles to be imported. I wonder if they're sold already. It sure would be nice to taste and have in the collection. Maybe if all of us pitch-in, we can share a bottle!
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Postby Lawrence » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:34 pm

Thomas H. wrote:I think it's nonsence. So why does Ardbeg want almost almost 3000 euros for single malt?


I agree but the quick answer is;

Because they can.
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Postby adogranonthepitch » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:40 pm

There will be 100 prats in the UK that will buy it!
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Postby les taylor » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:47 pm

This was on the radio yesterday and they said it was the most expensive malt ever on sale. When I visited Bowmore in 2004 they had a 40 yearold for £4000 the buyer also got to stay in the distillery managers house for the weekend.
So me thinks this is an opportunity to promote and sell something. If no one buys it the price will be seen to be inflated and will come down. I guess we all can see the advantage of buying something for exclusivitey value when it only costs £30. When the price is so high the individual has to decide is this the emporers new clothes or should I buy this. There in lies the dilema.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:09 pm

There's already a lot of (false) hype around this:

Most exclusive / limited? No. Not by number. See Feis Ile 2006 bottling as just one example.

Most expensive? Maybe for Ardbeg, but not "ever" from any distillery.

But, this hype will ensure that it sells out, probably quickly.

Is it worth buying?
Well, I am sure there are some with enough money to spend on this bottle and drink it!
However, what about the "man in the street"?

Once again, look at it slightly differently:
Quite a few people will open a savings account, either for their own future or perhaps for their children. In this case, I am sure 2000 GBP would be considered.
What would that 2000 GBP be worth in only 2-3 years in a savings account?
Or after 5 years in a savings account?

Well, I would estimate that after 5 years in a savings account the 2000 GBP would possibly grow to around 2550, maybe 2600 GBP.

The same 2000 GBP invested in this bottle ........... ?
I would estimate that your 2000 GBP would almost certainly double in the same 5 years. Maybe a little more.

In my opinion, this is a sound investment and I only wish I had the 2000 GBP spare at this moment in time.

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Postby Jan » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:22 am

Malt-Teaser wrote:
The same 2000 GBP invested in this bottle ........... ?
I would estimate that your 2000 GBP would almost certainly double in the same 5 years. Maybe a little more.

In my opinion, this is a sound investment and I only wish I had the 2000 GBP spare at this moment in time.

MT


MT, do you really think this will appreciate that much - even at the high start price ?

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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:15 am

Di Blasi wrote:.......... Maybe if all of us pitch-in, we can share a bottle!



Well by Irish standards there is 20 measures(35ml) in a bottle. SO 20 people X £100.00 each and you could get yourself a dram.... :lol:

It does not really bother me whether I taste this or not but I do get a bit irked by this rubbish of super duper collectable rareity nonsence...

But good luck to anyone that buys it...
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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:19 am

Jan,
it is very hard to say and yes, it is always a bit of a gamble. But I think it will indeed do well.

The problem is that there will be a limited number of customers willing to spend this much money.
If you look at previous Ardbeg Single Cask bottlings, then the prices have done very well in pretty short times, but we are talking about bottles currently in the €400 to €600 price range. Many collectors and connoisseurs will spend this kind of money, whereas adding another zero will deter many of these from buying.

I do think it will increase far better than any bank rate and yes, there is the (strong) possibility that it will double in price, probably somewhere in a 4-7 year timescale.
Let's just say that if I had the money available I would be contacting Ardbeg ASAP to see if they could hold me a bottle.

But, at the end of the day, it is the buyer's decision and although ALL invetsments can go DOWN in value, I don't see anyone losing any money on this one.

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Postby Aidan » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:34 am

Malt-Teaser wrote:But, at the end of the day, it is the buyer's decision and although ALL invetsments can go DOWN in value, I don't see anyone losing any money on this one.

MT


Except the people who drink it...
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Postby adogranonthepitch » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:10 pm

Selfridges. London. speak to Patrick in the Wines and Spirits department is the man to speak to. UK number. 0207 318 2375

Cost, taking the pee, but they want £2,295 each.

Hope this is of benefit to you guys.
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Postby Di Blasi » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:31 am

The Whisky Shop is selling it for an honest £2000! And it "Includes a 5cl Mini bottle!"
http://www.whiskyshop.com/
(I don't see it on the site yet.)
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Postby adogranonthepitch » Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:12 am

there is supposed to be a great article in the UK GQ magazine. I also have aphoto of \the bottle in a powerpoint presentation. I can email people the file. I warn you, you will come in your pants . It is the most beautiful thing. Its on a plinth with a glass case, it has NO LABEL. It is a thing of beauty!

Email at christopherwatkin@ukonline.co.uk
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:46 am

£2100 at Ardbeg if you a drawn out og the hat.


https://www.ardbeg.com/Shop.asp?Cat=16#492

http://www.ardbeg1965.com/



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TASTING NOTES
ABV 42.1%, NON CHILL-FILTERED
COLOUR RICH
AMBERGOLD

Aroma
Initial wafts of sea spray give way to a mix of luscious summer fruits (blackberries and blueberries) enveloped in ripe peaches. Beneath the mouth-watering fruit, nutty chocolate and vanilla notes emerge. The senses are latterly aware of sweet smokiness, coal tar and gentle peat oils.

With water, the sweet smokiness becomes more apparent; subtle medicinal, tarry rope notes are suggested with briny sea spray as the senses are reminded of its Islay birthplace.

The theme is still fruity and fragrant, with top notes of wine gums and autumn brambles. The flavours open further, revealing waxy aromatics, chocolate raisins and rich fruitcake.

Subdued traces of tree sap and tobacco smoke are present in the background.

Taste
The mouth-feel is warming with a tingly effect. The flavour is initially of a salty sea breeze with fish smoked over an open heather and peat fire. In a few seconds, rich dried fruits (raisins and sultanas) come to the fore with elements of cherry pie and cream. Vanilla is present throughout, with peat, espresso coffee and berry fruits completing a myriad of flavours.

Finish
The long finish lingers with peat smoke and blackcurrants, with hints of dark chocolate, dried fruit and traces of sea salt.
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Postby adogranonthepitch » Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:57 am

lets be honest, no body will drink it, so they could put what they like on the tasting notes!
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Postby Aidan » Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:18 am

Nose: Really expensive with pound notes.

Taste: Again, the expense shines through, this time with deffinate notes of dollars.

Finish: The expense just doesn't let go, praying on your mind years after buying it. A touch of peat too.
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Postby Thomas H. » Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:21 am

Aidan wrote:Nose: Really expensive with pound notes.

Taste: Again, the expense shines through, this time with deffinate notes of dollars.

Finish: The expense just doesn't let go, praying on your mind years after buying it. A touch of peat too.



ROFL!!! :D :D :D
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:29 am

I wonder does the wall paper come with it too.....
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Postby les taylor » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:22 am

I've seen that wallpaper in B & Q in the bin ends sale. They are knocking it out for £10 a go it normally sells for £250 a roll. :lol:
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Postby Deactivated Member » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:51 am

Isn't it ironic that Ardbeg would get so exercised about collectors buying their Oogling when they sell this one in a ready made display case.
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:59 am

Interesting article on it in the July 19th report on http://lindores.be/
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Postby parvus » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:28 pm

Nick Brown wrote:Isn't it ironic that Ardbeg would get so exercised about collectors buying their Oogling when they sell this one in a ready made display case.


I think you'll find there is a slight difference between the two bottlings. One was clearly made and priced as the epitome of Ardbeg collectables, the other was priced affordably so that it may be sampled and discussed.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:38 pm

I've looked at the Ardbeg website and I wonder whether ther are being disingenuous. They claim that demand exceeds supply and are therefore organizing a draw, with 50 prizes of the opportunity to buy a bottle at £2100. They also limit purchases to one bottle per customer.

In fact, there are 261 bottles. Ardbeg have obviously sent off 200 bottles elsewhere and some of these are readily available for purchase at less than the Ardbeg "winners" price. Do they even have more than 50 buyers in the wings, or is the draw going to be an "everyone's a winner"? Other distilleries that charge four figures for top end products (including other collectible distilleries) seem to have their stock hanging around specialist shops for ages. Is this Ardbeg really going to be any different?

I would have thought that most of Ardbeg's market was to drinkers rather than collectors - its good reputation is relatively recent and based on quality of product rather than security of investment. Even their best bottlings don't go for much over £500 - so is there a secondary market to produce a return on investment in these bottles? If not, then the bottles will probably linger becauise they are priced out of the reach of drinkers and those who will drink £2000 whisky will probably go for the Glen Grants, Macallans or Glenfiddichs anyway.

Let's wait and see, but I'm expecting to be able to look at a bottle of Ardbeg 1965 any time I want for the next few years by popping into RMW or the Whisky Shop.
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Postby Di Blasi » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:45 pm

I think this is quite a special bottle from Ardbeg. The first of its kind, maybe?? I feel of course they'll sell all of them, and probably quickly, as will the shops, and many that want to buy it may not get their hands on one. I'll bet some collectors, investors will buy a few, maybe more. And soon, before the year's out maybe, the bottle will be selling for double the price.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:59 pm

Di Blasi wrote:I think this is quite a special bottle from Ardbeg. The first of its kind, maybe?? I feel of course they'll sell all of them, and probably quickly, as will the shops, and many that want to buy it may not get their hands on one. I'll bet some collectors, investors will buy a few, maybe more. And soon, before the year's out maybe, the bottle will be selling for double the price.


Really? Ardbeg produced a 1972 in similar numbers a couple of years ago and it is still sitting around on shelves at the initial purchase price of £280.
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Postby Di Blasi » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:03 pm

That's a surprise to hear Nick, thanks for letting me know! I wonder where it's available? But still, the 1972 is obviously not a 40y bottling right? Even the same limited numbers of that vintage won't fetch the price or sell out perhaps like something as special and collectable as this 1965. But I guess we'll all have to wait and see!!
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:25 pm

I think you might be on the right track there Nick. I think if they sell about 30 bottles they are well covered(including normal profit margins) and the rest is pure profit. This draw thing is definately a way to panick people into buying. Disingenuous is a good description as they are trying to create a demand through PR.

I can understand a distillery trying to maximise the profit they can make over the collectors reselling market but there's a limit that people will accept.

As I have said before, as good as Ardbeg maybe, if they continue this sort of marketing they will piss off the people that matter. As you say the 1972 is still available, why??? Probably because it is just an expensive whisky and because there was no hype behind it. A whisky should stand on it's own legs and become a legend through word of mouth like Black Bowmore.

I would disagree with M-Tand be very very cautious about buying a bottle of this for investment. And if people got burnt I would have very little sympathy. If Ardbeg go along the lines of becoming an elitist collectors distillery I feel they will lose their following as a cult distillery and people will move on to the next 'Genuine' Distillery (if there is such a thing). In crease prices to reflect the market is fine but ... sorry no ... can't comprehend bottles of these prices by any distillery....

I am fanatical about Irish Whiskey but there is no hope on earth that I will buy the 2000.00Euro Midleton 20th Anniversary Edition. Daylight robbery when I know I can get the 25yo which is the best of all the special edition midletons for 500.00Euro. And that will be available for years to come too.

Come back to earth Ardbeg and be what you are supposed to be a 'Genuine' Distillery. I've always prefered Laphroaig and Lagavulin anyway so I not fussed just principles guys :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:31 pm

Di Blasi wrote:That's a surprise to hear Nick, thanks for letting me know! I wonder where it's available? But still, the 1972 is obviously not a 40y bottling right? Even the same limited numbers of that vintage won't fetch the price or sell out perhaps like something as special and collectable as this 1965. But I guess we'll all have to wait and see!!


But there are bottles of 40year old whisky that you can get for under £200.00 which I think is Nicks point. Why did they not just charge 500 or 600. I still would not buy it but it is not as out rageous if you really wanted one. And it is also knocking out the profitering by some extent of speculators.

Anyway as you say we'll wait and see.... no use arguing this into the ground I suppose....

Should be interesting though to see how it turns out and a great topic of debate :wink: .
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Postby Di Blasi » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:37 pm

All your points are informative and well taken Nick and irishwhiskeychaser, thanks! I haven't been doing this for so long, and I have lots to learn. It actually reminds me of the very special 40y Bruichladdich that was going for 1000£, now it's still available for 750£. It will be interesting to watch, and look back on this conversation when the dust of the marketing clears.
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Postby Aidan » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:41 pm

Yes, I will randomly make a selection from all the people who PM me between now and this time tomorrow. The winner will get a beautiful bottle of Ardbeg 1965 for £3,000. Good luck everyone.
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Postby Di Blasi » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:44 pm

"And they're off!!!"
(Nice one Aidan!)
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