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Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Thu May 01, 2008 7:16 am

Does anyone have any Ardbeg 10 that was bottled in any of the years from 2000-2004?

I'm trying to obtain bottles from any of those years for future flights, and I would be willing to trade or purchase for any of these years. Boxes are not needed, if you don't have them, as I am doing this for a future tasting and not for collecting or ebaying.

Thanks for checking...

Cheers...
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Re: Ardbeg 10!!!!

Postby Reggaeblues » Thu May 01, 2008 11:46 am

Sorry. Mine was consistently DSAP( drunk soon after purchase)

As was I...
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Re: Ardbeg 10!!!!

Postby Yellowjacket » Thu May 01, 2008 4:41 pm

Tim,
I'll check my collection when I return and keep an eye open for any.

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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby recordmeister » Thu May 01, 2008 11:06 pm

How can you tell when it was bottled? I've just left a post on the Whisky Chat section about the Nam Beist as that states on the back of the bottle what year it was bottled in, ie. 2006 or 2007. I can't see that on the 10...
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Thu May 01, 2008 11:22 pm

You can find the date by looking on the edge of the bottle, less than half an inch from the bottom. It is stamped or etched in the glass, and the code goes something like this...

L7 293 01:51 4ML

L7 293 01:51 4ML (represents the year - bottled 2007; L6=2006, etc)

L7 293 01:51 4ML (represents the day - on the 293rd day)

L7 293 01:51 4ML (represents the time - at 1:51 in the morning)

L7 293 01:51 4ML (represents the distillery - the code for Ardbeg)

You can also do a quick check by looking on the label for the importer.

Moet-Hennessy (2006 and later)
Brown-Forman (2005 and earlier)

Basically, the bottles I'm looking for will have Brown-Forman.

Thanks for looking!
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby Di Blasi » Fri May 02, 2008 1:02 am

Yes, great coding there! Gotta check my bottles now too, thanks.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby John McGill » Fri May 02, 2008 1:14 am

lohssanami wrote:L7 293 01:51 4ML (represents the distillery - the code for Ardbeg)


Technically the 4ML is the bottling line and not the code for a particular distillery but saying that I think every Ardbeg I have was bottled with a 4ML code.

Most of the Glenmorangie bottles I have are all 3ML but my current Laphroaig Quarter Cask also has a 3ML code.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Fri May 02, 2008 2:56 am

I learned the coding on these forums.

This thread gave me my first exposure to the bottle codes. Check out Yellowjacket's 2nd post (Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:31 pm), and it shows basically what I posted here. He taught me the codes! Thanks Bob.

Gotta go...at work!
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby Leither » Fri May 02, 2008 10:42 am

See also this thread from Sep 2006 where I revealed the bottle codes in a thread about the Oogy, which I am a big fan of:

viewtopic.php?t=4022&highlight=uigeadail

I was keen to learn about different batches which led me to understand the bottle codes and thus the date of bottling. Most other OB bottle codes are pretty easy to work out as well.

Lohssanammi, I only have Ardbeg Ten from 2005 onwards, sorry, but good luck in your search for L4 and below.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Fri May 02, 2008 4:36 pm

Leither wrote:Lohssanammi, I only have Ardbeg Ten from 2005 onwards, sorry, but good luck in your search for L4 and below.


Leither, thanks for checking, and thanks for the info in the thread. I also need to find some Uigeadail from 2003 and 2004, but that is a different thread and time. HAHA. At least the Airigh has only two years...easier to complete.

Cheers...
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby sievm » Sat May 03, 2008 5:33 pm

Well, I am going to disagree slightly with the coding. I live next door to a blender in the industry and had cause over the last few weeks to ask about a bottle with a smudged batch number.

His view was the the L7 would refer to bottling line 7 and the 4ML is part of the postcode of where it was bottled. This would then identify issues with a bottling run if reported by the public.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby John McGill » Sat May 03, 2008 7:29 pm

sievm wrote:His view was the the L7 would refer to bottling line 7 and the 4ML is part of the postcode of where it was bottled.


nah, he's wrong :)
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:49 am

Here is a quick update.

I have found a couple more of the "Introducing Ten Years Old", and I've made a little picture explaining the codes. The large "L" codes often go over the dimple, making it hard to read the code without a flashlight shining through the bottom of the bottle.

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The stamp with the large "L" was used for 2001 and earlier.

The stamp with all numbers the same size was used in 2002.

The etching started somewhere in 2002 or 2003.

There could be overlap, but this is what I've seen so far.

I think I can safely say, with the help provided by several members here, that the number following the L is the year, followed by day and time, with the 4ML being a reference to Ardbeg but not solely Ardbeg.

I have a Glen Moray 16 Black Watch with a 4ML in the code. Serendipity anyone?
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:16 am

Collector57 wrote:Tim, Serendipity:

L5 068 13:25 4ML


Thanks Nick, I actually wanted one of those codes. Funny, but the Serendipity "?" was pointing at the fact Glen Moray has the same "4ML" as Ardbeg. LOL
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby Klas » Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:36 am

I checked my codes and I actually have an Ardbeg TEN with number L4 098 13:44 4 ML at home, but it is not for sale though.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:05 am

Good to hear that more people have different bottles.

If possible, can you guys send me a good picture of the back label, as well as the bottom of the box, and what bottles are included in the tasting notes. Also, if you remember, what country in which you bought the bottle.

I'm trying to compile information for all years of the Ardbeg 10, and any and all information is helpful.

Cheers...
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby I_SPEY » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:35 am

Very, very interesting Tim! Learning all the time :)
This will cost you probably a lot of time, but I think, according to your enthusiastic posts, you're happy with it and that's the only thing, that's important.

I would like to ask you following: on my Ardbeg Corryvreckan, with code
L8 079 11:34 4ML, there's also a round mark, what says Liable To UK Excise Duty For the UK Market A20000000540 HM Revenue & Customs

And Ardbeg shipped this bottle to Holland???

I realy don't understand this???????? :o

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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby Newbie » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:43 am

This thread is getting very technical, but I like it :thumbsup:

Is this type/format of coding unique to Ardbeg? I am sure I've seen it on other bottles of whisky (e.g. my Tesco Islay). Is it specific to a certain bottling plant? Or is this type of coding used across the whisky industry?
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:50 am

As far as I know, those are supposed to be covered with a round black sticker by the retailer that sells it outside of the UK/EU or whatever the country that doesn't pay VAT.

On the Corryvreckan, I believe the distillery charges everyone VAT. Since The Netherlands/Holland is part of EU, I assume that it is left uncovered because the VAT is collected by the UK, and therefore it doesn't need to be covered.

I do not know much about the EU or VAT so maybe someone on the forums can better explain this point.

I do know that all of the "Still Young", "Almost There" and "Renaissance" I have had the black sticker that I removed. I got my "Very Young" from New Zealand, and it does not have a UK round sticker.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:02 pm

Newbie wrote:This thread is getting very technical, but I like it :thumbsup:

Is this type/format of coding unique to Ardbeg? I am sure I've seen it on other bottles of whisky (e.g. my Tesco Islay). Is it specific to a certain bottling plant? Or is this type of coding used across the whisky industry?


Nope...this is not a standard, but each code has its own way of deciphering. All of the Glenmorangie bottles (really just bottles from the last 10 years) I looked at have the same coding as well as the Glen Moray that I own.

Each parent company has its own way of coding the bottles.

I have some Teachers from the mid 80's, and Beam Global told me there was an actual tool to read the bottle codes from notches in the bottom of the label. Sure enough, I can see different notches in each label.

I think these codes really only apply to Glenmorangie produced bottles or the bottling plant used by Glenmorangie. I'm still researching how the codes were/are dictated, but I will find out.

I have noticed that recent bottles of Laphroaig I bought are similar.

Laphroaig 10 - L7 261 08:07 3ML
Laphroaig 15 - L7 262 00:21 3ML

This one however is different.

Laphroaig 10 CS - LG159R1K 01:55

As I figure out or get info from distilleries, I'll post it.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby John McGill » Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:43 pm

Collector57 wrote:LotI almost unreadable on the dark bottle.

L4 098 21:17 ?ML

Just can't make out that ? at all as it sems to be blemished.
I may hook ou the other bottle sometime...

L4 098 21:16 4ML on the second bottle


Nick where did you find the code on the LotI bottle? I've looked at mine a few times but never been able to find a code.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:34 pm

The stamps can be really hard to read. Shining a flashlight through the bottom or side can help.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby Yellowjacket » Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:49 am

Hey, Tim! Really great thread. I haven't been able to be around much lately, so I'm just now seeing the latest. Some excellent research and work here. Nice visuals and displays. Keep up the great work!

For added information, I have an Ardbeg 17 with the large "L" code that's an L8 (1998).

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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby drunkenjayhawk » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:31 am

By using the information I have an 03 10 year old and an 02 1977 (thought I got it before that but guess my memory is faulty).
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:18 am

I saw your PM about my older Ardbeg 10 and I know I bought it in 2002.
I'll check the code to see the actual bottling date.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:25 am

drunkenjayhawk wrote:By using the information I have an 03 10 year old and an 02 1977 (thought I got it before that but guess my memory is faulty).


I sent a PM about the 10.

I just started looking into the 1977 versions, and I have found bottles dated 2002 and 2004 (a little tough to read the code in the pic). I'm curious to know if your 1977 has the postal code on the front after the Argyll, Scotland writing.


Malt-Teaser wrote:I saw your PM about my older Ardbeg 10 and I know I bought it in 2002.
I'll check the code to see the actual bottling date.
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Thanks for checking!
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:25 am

L22604ML05

Does this make sense?
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:35 am

lohssanami wrote:
Leither wrote:Lohssanammi, I only have Ardbeg Ten from 2005 onwards, sorry, but good luck in your search for L4 and below.


Leither, thanks for checking, and thanks for the info in the thread. I also need to find some Uigeadail from 2003 and 2004, but that is a different thread and time. HAHA. At least the Airigh has only two years...easier to complete.

Cheers...


My two Oogies are 2003 & 2004 - the labels are dated.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:35 am

Yes...this should be the stamp that has all characters the same size, like the example in the pic above of the 17's.

2002, on the 260th day, and there may be two numbers after the 05 that are either on the dimple or hard to see, which would be the time.

I'll send a PM.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:36 am

My last remaining 1977 does seem to have the postal code on the front label.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:51 am

Malt-Teaser wrote:My last remaining 1977 does seem to have the postal code on the front label.
MT


I think all of the 1977's had the postal code, but since I've started looking into them, I want to confirm whether these had a label change like the Uigeadail.

Your 2004 Uigeadail should be dated before day 315 (L4 315 14:32 4ML), but possibly after 212 (L4 212 00:49 4ML). If it is after 212, it would be interesting to know the exact code just to narrow down the date the label was changed. I've been able to find examples like yours (Traditional Strength in gold on front and no post code) up to day 212, and the earliest after the change (Non-Chill Filtered in gold on front and with the post code) is day 315.

Thanks for the help with the codes.
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby orangedogofglory » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:07 pm

hey lohssanami,
I think you have all of these codes, but thought I'd post them just in case, and for future reference if you need to find them:

Ardbeg 10
L6 215 20:18 4ML
L7 221 06:39 4ML

Ardbeg Beist
L6 256 14:04 4ML
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby lohssanami » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:25 pm

Thanks orangedogofglory...
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby sampaiocaleia » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:56 pm

lohssanami wrote:Does anyone have any Ardbeg 10 that was bottled in any of the years from 2000-2004?

I'm trying to obtain bottles from any of those years for future flights, and I would be willing to trade or purchase for any of these years. Boxes are not needed, if you don't have them, as I am doing this for a future tasting and not for collecting or ebaying.

Thanks for checking...

Cheers...


Just L6 and L7..
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Re: Ardbeg 10 wanted!!!!

Postby Di Blasi » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:41 pm

I'm hoping my brother brings me back a liter of the Ten from Duty Free in a few weeks, and if so, I'll be sure to give you the necessary numbers and bottling info! :thumbsup:
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