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Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby cathach » Thu May 29, 2008 10:09 pm

Basically should I forgo a big order of 10-12 bottles and get just the one of Knappogue Castle 1951?? Anybody out there tasted this? This rarest of the rare, pure pot still, that is the Irish whiskey nut's holy grail.....
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby Aidan » Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:28 pm

I think it depends on how much you're spending on it. I think it's over 800 euro in Ireland, now. You can get the Willy Napier, from the same distillery for 500 euro.

Of course, if you search around, you can get the Knappogue 51 for cheaper, I'm sure.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby cathach » Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:33 pm

I've found a guy in the states who will give it to me for $579.99; so I think I'll have to go with that because it's a great price. If only he had the Willie Napier too!!
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby Aidan » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:24 pm

cathach wrote:I've found a guy in the states who will give it to me for $579.99; so I think I'll have to go with that because it's a great price. If only he had the Willie Napier too!!


That's a good price. It's worth trying for that, I'd say.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951/Willie Nappier

Postby kenquinn31 » Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:40 pm

I have a bottle of Willie Nappier which cost €500. It came in an wooden presentation box with 2 glasses. The glasses are in the name of the shop where purchased.

Is this the norm? Does anyone have a Willie Nappier? What glasses are with your bottle?
What is taste? Is it good value?
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby cathach » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:16 pm

Well a bottle of Willie Napier costs E499.99 in the Celtic Whiskey Shop in Dublin; that seems to be the going rate in shops anyway.
114 bottles from a single cask distilled at the old Tullamore Dew distillery in 1945, bottled in 1989.

As to the taste this is a pure pot still whiskey, of the old type and therefore [from what I've read anyway] its very long aging in the wood has not destroyed the flavour. Expect complex fruits, oily texture and spicy flavours.

However if you permit me to ask a question, you must have known a little about it before shelling out 500 notes for a bottle of whiskey???
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951/Willie Nappier

Postby Aidan » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:29 pm

kenquinn31 wrote:I have a bottle of Willie Nappier which cost €500. It came in an wooden presentation box with 2 glasses. The glasses are in the name of the shop where purchased.

Is this the norm? Does anyone have a Willie Nappier? What glasses are with your bottle?
What is taste? Is it good value?


Yes, the glasses with it have Celtic Whskey Shop logos on them. The shop is really the agent for the cask owner, I believe, although I'm open to correction. I think they arranged bottling etc.

I have not tasted it, but have had the old Cadenhead Tullamores. They're very good, very powerful. They're a bit like rum.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951 Willie Nappier

Postby kenquinn31 » Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:45 pm

Wanted an whiskey from my home town Tullamore. Some suggested Knappogue Castle, others Willie Nappier. Never drank whiskey this old before. Have had Midleton Rare etc. Have basic knowledge, relied on others knowledge for this one.

Hold this for a special occasion or as investment?

What you think of Knappogue Castle good value? Worth buying for investment or drinking on special occasion?
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby kenquinn31 » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:02 pm

That guy in the states got anymore bottles of Knappogue Castle? That is a very goog price.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:15 pm

Yes I was of the opinion that CWS were the sole agent for this bottle also.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951 Willie Nappier

Postby cathach » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:33 pm

kenquinn31 wrote:
Hold this for a special occasion or as investment?

What you think of Knappogue Castle good value? Worth buying for investment or drinking on special occasion?



Well this all depends on what you want, from what you buy. Knappogue is regularly available in the U.S. at prices similar to this, the currency change is what has piqued my interest.
Are you prepared to drink your own money at E25 a shot? Do you appreciate whiskey or have an interest in it? Do you want to speculate on possible future price rises?

Only you would have an answer to that, the last available whiskies distilled in Tullamore are of a type that is simply not available any more. The techniques and ingredients were quite different then. They used small proportions of different grains in the mash and a wider 'cut' of the alcohol distilled. In other words more of the feints or heavy alcohols and compounds that in small amounts add greatly to the flavour profile were allowed into the cask.

So if you want to drink it and find out what that piece of distilling history tastes like fire ahead; if you want to have a memento or speculate thats open to you too.

Generally speaking though Irish whiskies are much less collectable than Scotch, despite the high price for the stuff here, that doesn't hold abroad despite the best efforts of the Jameson & co. marketing and premiumisation departments. Knappogue Castle 1951 for example is E950 here in Galway, it's E850 in Dublin and widely available at $599.99 in the States; factor that information all together and the base price from the company that sells the Knappogue to all these retailers must be about E200. The mark-up on premium spririts is enormous.
So at E323 [at today's exchange rate] makes it a decent buy as an example of a rare style of whisky making, no longer extant. A 25yo Lagavulin can be got for less than that or even a rare Ardbeg

And at that price I plan to drink it.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby kenquinn31 » Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:04 pm

Do you have a contact email/details for the person in the U.S. Can I buy Knappogue Castle 1951 from him? Will he send to Ireland? Could buy 2 bottles from U.S. for cost of 1 in Ireland. Drink one with friends/family and enjoy and keep one in collection.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:18 pm

kenquinn31 wrote:Do you have a contact email/details for the person in the U.S. Can I buy Knappogue Castle 1951 from him? Will he send to Ireland? Could buy 2 bottles from U.S. for cost of 1 in Ireland. Drink one with friends/family and enjoy and keep one in collection.


You'll find that none of the US retailers will post to Ireland. It is against US law/regulations to post high ABV spirit over seas (and even inter state in some circumstances). What you need to do is get it sent to a friend or relative in the states and get them to post it over to you. However you then have Irish Customs to worry about :(

I have not done it in a good while but I used to get the sender to mark it Collectible Vintage Whisky Decanter. :wink:

Hope that helps :thumbsup:
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby Aidan » Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:09 pm

Are you sure it's illegal, Adrian? I've received spirits from shops in the U.S. and paid the duty when it has arrived. Unfortunately, the duty can be a bit high.

Anyway, I'm unsure about the law. I also received stuff sent through FedEx. They went through some clearing house and there were so many charges involved that it wasn't worth it in the end. I don't like Fedex.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:28 pm

No I was not saying it was illegal. Only that there is either Laws or Regulations in the majority of states which can prevent this ....

It's all to do with the war on terror and the transportation of spirits by air and all that baloney (cic).

I'm sure you'll find a few who will but then it will also have to be declared as you say and that is not really any good either :(
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby OKDiver1 » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:45 pm

irishwhiskeychaser wrote:No I was not saying it was illegal. Only that there is either Laws or Regulations in the majority of states which can prevent this ....

It's all to do with the war on terror and the transportation of spirits by air and all that baloney (cic).


I think it is much older than that. I've had problems shipping alcohol to Europe by US Mail for a long time. UPS and FedEx are usually fine, but the USPS is always an issue. Gets your creative juices flowing...
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby kenquinn31 » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:34 pm

:cry: Thats a pity. May pass on the U.S. idea for now and pay the high prize in Ireland for one bottle.

Thanks to all for your help.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby cathach » Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:05 am

Well, surely it would not be past a man of your means to arrange postage to a relative or relative of a [good] friend?? Some guys can be very sympathetic, after all what we often talk about is merely old glass.....

No reply as yet from my man in the states, I may just buy some RB15 instead.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:59 pm

Hopefully he is not checking out other places .... Park Avenue has it for $1000.00 and that is the cheapest I've seen it. But I obviously have not check as hard as you. I've also seen it for $1400 (Shoppers Vinyard) & the RRP is actually $1600 which maybe for the latest release, which may be the last but I'm not 100% on that.

I've resigned myself at never getting it as the prices are going the wrong way for me.

Good luck in you search if you can get one :thumbsup:
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby cathach » Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:26 pm

http://www.binnys.com have it for $599.99, so if the other guy falls through I'll just get it through them.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby Aidan » Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:58 pm

Binny's are very good. I've bought a lot through them. Unfortunately, they use Fedex, which is not great when sending to Ireland.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby krowek80 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:41 am

If anyone is interested, I am selling one on ebay - no reserve. However, I can only ship within US. Search for it on ebay. The listing ends on the 16th of August. As for Binnys, I talked to them and although the website shows the bottle as available, they no longer have any in stock.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby bcrossan » Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:35 pm

Anyone know the current going rate for these bottles today? I see Park Ave has one for $1000, so I imagine it is something less than that. Any thoughts?
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby Jobi » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:29 am

A shop here in NY has it for $750 (last I saw).
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:34 pm

The last of this was released about 18months ago so it is technically now out of stock from the producer. Up to then it was retailing at $600 in the US but since the last release the RRP went to €1000 and even some retailers listed it at $1200 however some still listed it at €600. I would suggest that €750 is possibly not a bad price and you probably would not get it for much less at auction unless your lucky enought to find it still retailing at $600 which I'm sure is a possiblity in a small few places.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby keaysj » Sun May 19, 2013 6:05 pm

Hi All,
Can anyone tell me how much this Whiskey should now cost me? I saw it online for £699, but that seems a big jump in a couple of years. Any thoughts?
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby Aidan » Mon May 20, 2013 6:57 pm

That's as good a price as I can see at the moment. There are less and less of these now. Not sure they're releasing any more.
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Re: Knappogue Castle 1951

Postby agoldf » Thu May 23, 2013 5:49 am

I could probably get you one for a bit, but not much, cheaper.
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