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Help with Whisky Tasting Order

Postby Frodo » Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:44 pm

I'm conducting my first whisky tasting at a friend's house on saturday night, and I'm hoping for some feedback on the order. So far, I've settled on the following:

1) Bruichladdich 15
2) Auchantoshan Tripplewood
3) Springbank 10
4) Mannochmore 12 (Provenance)
5) Macallan 12
6) Ardbeg 10

1, 3, & 4 were on sale, and 5 & 6 I thought were core. I wanted a lowlander that would match the others in price, so by default #2 is what was available. Any ideas on the order? Any help would be appretiated, since this is my first time trying this.

Thanks in advance
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Postby Tom » Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:00 pm

Hi Frodo,
1 Mannochmore 12
2 Auchentoshan Treewood
3 Bruichladdich 15
4 Macallan 12
5 Ardbeg 10
the macallan this late because it is my experience that sherry can heavely influence your tastebuds, and so does peat.
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Postby FG » Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:50 pm

1.) Auchentoshan
2.) Mannochmore
3.) Springbank
4.) Macallan
5.) Laddie
6.) Ardie

The lowlander first, because it's smooth & very light.
Springbank is a special for it's own. IMO the 10 is not Springbank as it should be. Macallan for some sherry influence and at last the laddie for the strong salty taste and the Ardie for the peat.

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Postby Lawrence » Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:17 pm

1) Mannochmore 12 (Provenance)
2) Auchantoshan Tripplewood
3) Bruichladdich 15
4) Springbank 10
5) Macallan 12
6) Ardbeg 10
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Postby hpulley » Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:19 pm

Auchentoshan
Mannochmore
Macallan
Bruichladdich
Springbank
Ardbeg
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Postby Admiral » Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:23 pm

At the risk of disagreeing with one or two, I would be very wary of putting the Laddie towards the end. Whilst there are some maritime characteristics present, it is still a relatively light whisky, and it cannot compete against some of the others, particularly Macallan. I don't believe it should be any higher up the order than in the first three.

I agree mostly with Lawrence, but I'd swap the Auchentoshan and Mannochmore around, i.e.

1) Auchentoshan Triple Wood
2) Mannochmore
3) Bruichladdich 15
4) Springbank 10
5) Macallan 12
6) Ardbeg 10

Another warning about the Laddie 15 - it absolutely dies with the addition of water. The nose flattens, and the palate becomes suddenly thin. Will you encourage your attendees to try the malts neat first?
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Postby Frodo » Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:32 am

Hi Admiral.

Yes, I'll encourage tasters to add water AFTER trying it neat. This Mannochmore I remember being a little more foreward than a lot of samey speysiders - perhaps due to non-chill filtering.

I've had the Three Wood a couple of times not too long ago, and found it to be not light, but not heavy either. Kind of like the regular Auchantoshan 10yr but with clothes on! I figured this would come out heavier than the 'laddie, but it's been so long since I've had it (the 'laddie).

I've only had the Springbank a few times (all expressions), but I remember it being not a very forceful whisky.

So the issue leading to the most difference of opinion seems to be where to place the first three whiskies. Interesting!

Thanks, all. I'll be checking in on this thread before my tasting on Saturday night.

Best regards
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Postby JimHall » Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:09 am

Frodo

One thing you have to be sure to do is to highlight the light colour of the Ardbeg in comparison with it's taste and also the colour of the other drams. Any novices will be amazed by the lightness in colour and would probably guess that it is the least peated before any nosing/tasting........ no chance of an invite for forum buddies then?
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Postby Frodo » Sun Feb 27, 2005 7:40 am

Sorry Jim - unless you want to jump on a plane and come over!

Thanks everyone for getting back to me with suggestions about the order. The evening went smoothly - I was even asked if I did this for a living :shock: . The order I settled on was Auchantoshan Three Wood/ Bruichladdich 15/ Mannochmore 12 (Provenance)/ Springbank 10/ Macallan 12/ Ardbeg 10.

The people who went to the tasting are friends of friends, each of whom would take home a bottle after the tasting. Thus it was important to have most bottles at comparable prices (C$75-80). The Bruichladdich 15 was a 200ml bottle because I felt was important to try to show people that all Islays are not peat bonfires, and the price of this one was shared by all.

The responces were not what I expected from a group that had tried some singles before ('fiddich, Glenlivet, Glenmorangie, etc.). The Ardbeg elicited the most responces including a lot of negative, and a lot of "couldn't make up my mind". I felt safe getting this one, as one of the group professed his love when he once tried Lagavulin 16. As I thought, he took this one.

Of the rest, the most popular were the Bruichladdich 15 and the Springbank 10. Everyone liked these, and reacted as if they had just been shown a revelation! The Mannochmore was a Provenance bottling (at 46%, NCF) and I decided to risk placing it third after the Bruichladdich. (everyone said they could pick up the taste of this one fine). The Mannochmore was well liked as well, just not quite as much as the 'laddie and the Springbank. The Auchantoshan was accepted as a nice dram, but not something to get overly excited about. The Mac was considered a curiosity, some loving it, some not.

An interesting excersize for me, as the Springbank and Bruichladdich would be my least enjoyable, and the Mannochmore and Auchantoshan I would place after the Ardbeg in terms of my personal enjoyment.

Somethings for me to mull over, those that were well recieved...

Thanks again all! A great success! :D
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Postby Tom » Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:19 am

Frodo, how did the laddy compared with the springbank?
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Postby Frodo » Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:31 am

Well, I wasn't drinking as I had to leave at 10:30pm for my overnight shift :cry: .

As far as the reactions of others, it seemed that the Springbank was voted the equivalent of the best "all rounder". Everyone thought it was a fine, fine dram. "Well rounded, well crafted, has some of this, some of that" were typical comments.

The 'laddie was considered "edgy" at it's slot (2nd) with some salty, and smoky notes, but fairly exciting. Edgy that is, until the Macallan was tried. The group acted as though the Mac was an artifact from outer space the way it was compared to the others before it. And to be fair, the others before it aren't quite the same animal...

Frodo

One other note. The next time I do a tasting, I'm going to bring a small (350 or 200ml) bottle of sherry so tasters can try it before the tasting to better recognize the sherry influance in the Scotch.
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Postby Admiral » Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:20 am

Good idea, but try and match the sherry.

(In other words, if you're serving up Macallan, make sure you provide an Oloroso sherry).

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Postby Frodo » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:46 am

I was under the impression that most of the sherry casks used to age Scotch are ex-Olorso casks, with some PX casks occasionally used. I've never heard of anything lighter being used. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Postby Admiral » Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:20 am

Fino casks are very common, Amontillado is also readily used.

PX is actually pretty rare - the Lagavulin Distillers Edition is the only one I'm aware of.

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Postby Frodo » Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:38 am

Auchantoshan Three Wood uses them for finishing.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:54 am

Frodo, I think it would be interesting to invite the same people back for a blind tasting. Give them the same malts, in a completely different (and thoroughly counterintuitive) order--be sure that no malt follows the one it did before. It would be fun to see how the reactions differ.

It's interesting that most of the malts you chose are relatively subtle, and the two extreme ones--Macallan and Ardbeg--got the most negative reaction. I'd also like to try putting those two in different contexts--e.g. alongside other peat/sherry monsters.
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Postby Frodo » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:39 pm

I'd have to think about that one. The fact that the forceful whiskies elicited negative reactions indicated to me that next time I should perhaps use Clynelish or Bowmore and Glenfarclas instead of Ardbeg and Macallan.

But you do raise a valid point that what you had initially influances your capacity to evaluate the next one. An example of this is when one of the members was late, and had to play catch-up. He decided to skip #2 ('laddie) and try it at the end in order to join everyone else at where they were. After having Ardbeg, he couldn't pick up much from the 'laddie. That's why I'm reluctant to implement your sugestion without further consideration ie. "how would I do this so that every whisky be given it's fair chance"?


Nice thought though!
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Postby hpulley » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:58 pm

You can have Bruichladdich after Ardbeg but it has to be the Fullstrength!

I'd give them Caol Ila instead of Bowmore. Bowmores can be crummy these days.

Glenfarclas is my preference over Macallan, as you know. Funny thing is, I find Macallan to be very flat! Obviously I've been trying the wrong ones. Even the CS doesn't do much for me, nor do the Fine Oaks. I have yet to try the new 12yo but now I'm tempted.

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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:41 pm

hpulley wrote:You can have Bruichladdich after Ardbeg but it has to be the Fullstrength!


Seconded. I did exactly that a couple weeks ago and was amazed. What an astonishingly lively dram that is! Get it while you can.
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