Not a member? - Register and login now.
All registered users can read our entire magazine archive.

Are Brora and Port Ellen worth it?

Your tastes and our tastes are discussed here, so make sure you share your pleasures with us.

Are Brora and Port Ellen worth it?

Postby sku » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:55 pm

Hi, I've been lurking on this site for a while but never posted. I've been a serious whisky drinker for a few years now and am interested in expanding what I've tasted.

Unfortunately, I don't have a great place where I can sample lots of different whiskies by the glass, so I have to decide whether to plunk down premium cash for bottles.

My questions is, and I understand the subjectivity of this, is it worth it to get a Brora or Port Ellen? Are these bottles simply inflated because of the collector market or are they fabulous whiskies. Would I likely be just as happy (or moreso) and could I get more bang for the buck with a similarly priced Ardbeg or Highland Park (two of my favorites)?

FYI, the only available Boroa at my local store is a Signatory. There are a variety of Port Ellens.

Thanks in advance.
sku
Bronze Member
 
Posts: 174
Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:56 pm
Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA

Postby PuckJunkie » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:33 pm

Welcome to the board!

I have no Brora experience, but the Port Ellen in my collection was worth every penny at $165 USD. I have a few bottles that cost that much, maybe four or five, but the only whisky I have that I like as much is Ardbeg Provenance, which cost significantly more.

I think that if you're of the opinion that any whisky is worth $150 - $200 (USD again), and if you're a fan of Islay, you'd be very unlikely to be disappointed in a bottle of Port Ellen. That being said, I'd imagine the bottlings can vary quite a bit. The one I have is an OMC 1977 24yo.

Puck
PuckJunkie
Bronze Member
 
Posts: 176
Joined: Fri May 12, 2006 7:36 pm
Location: Dallas, TX USA

Postby jimidrammer » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:38 pm

Are these bottles simply inflated because of the collector market or are they fabulous whiskies.


Yes and yes. The Brora 1981 21yo Signatory 46% abv (1981-2003) ($106US) was good and expensive, but, to me, very worth the experience once I got past the guilt. It was the first "over $100" bottles I had purchased. Recently found my first Port Ellen, 24yo Douglas Laing Old Malt Cask, Sept.1978-Oct. 2002, 360 bottles, 50% abv ($176US). Also very complex, unique and enjoyable. I would say if exploring these distilleries is important to you, bite the bullett and try them. There is nothing quite like them to compare. It just got to the point for me that I had to know. I just had to rationalize, okay that's 4 steak dinners, that's 7 steak dinners and the bottles will be around and enjoyed longer than the beef. :roll: :lol: :oops: :wink:
jimidrammer
Gold Member
 
Posts: 918
Joined: Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:00 am
Location: Arkansas, US

Postby hpulley » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:53 am

For the most part I agree with the above statements that they are very good but are also overpriced. Most closed distilleries demand a premium because they are also collectable. By and far the drams from Broras are great in the '70s but are a bit hit and miss in the '80s nearing closure. Port Ellen may be the same, as is Rosebank and other closures where the last casks they used where obviously not their best. The best of each are sublime.

For sure if you've never had them at least have one of each, then you can say if you want to try more or not.

Harry
hpulley
Triple Gold Member
 
Posts: 2503
Joined: Mon Mar 25, 2002 2:01 am
Location: Guelph, Ontario, Canada

Postby Di Blasi » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:02 am

I can recommend Port Ellen, I've tasted a few different ones. Yes, they're expensive, worth trying for the experience of it, but will you enjoy something else more, and for cheaper? Probably yes. Or maybe not. The OB 3rd Edition was spectacular, one of the best whiskies I've tasted. The 22y from Gordon and Macphail, diluted to 40% and chill-filtered, not worth it, and probably overpriced. And the Laing Brothers' OMC bottlings I've tasted and are well worth it!! Try and find a bar or someone that has it opened already, taste it first. Otherwise read The Whisky Bible for helpful suggestions as which you should purchase to truly enjoy.
Di Blasi
Cask Strength Gold Member
 
Posts: 3741
Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:16 pm
Location: Brussels, Belgium

Postby Aidan » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:11 am

I think when you're tasting whiskys from closed distilleries, you often get something beyond the taste itself. Of the modern Port Ellen releases, you also get great age, which influences cost itself.

Ultimately, you'll never know until you're tried it.
Aidan
Cask Strength Gold Member
 
Posts: 3252
Joined: Sun Nov 10, 2002 2:01 am
Location: Dublin

Postby kallaskander » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:15 am

Hi there,

apart from the prices asked for bottlings from both distilleries they are well worth to be sampled if you are looking for peated malts and the Islay style. For both distilleries and especially and more so for Brora it is true that from the beginning of the 1980s on there is no garantee that a bottling contains peated malt. Good example is the Brora 20 Years in the Rare Malt Selection. A good whisky but more like a modern Clynelish than a peated Brora. The peat levels at Port Ellen were more consistant till closure, the risk of finding an unpeated Port Ellen in a bottle is very low as yet. At Brora from 1980 on you have to watch out, some bottlings are others are not peated.

Greetings
kallaskander
kallaskander
Double Gold Member
 
Posts: 1119
Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:47 pm
Location: Heddesheim, Germany

Postby thehighking » Sat Jul 29, 2006 10:54 pm

I've never had a Brora yet, but I did have a Port Ellen several times now and it is a magnificent dram. Is it worth tasting it? Absolutely.

Worth buying? That's up to you---in that price range you can get plenty of other absolutely fantastic whiskies and it just depends on what your personal tastes/collecting preferences are.
thehighking
New member
 
Posts: 22
Joined: Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:12 am
Location: Baltimore, MD

Postby scoobypl » Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:30 pm

To put it quite simple: Good Brora is about the best whisky one can buy...period. In the 1970-1975 period Brora was absolutely fantastic, and bottles distilled at that time are worth every penny!!!!! Later on, the peat influence becomes a lot less, and therefore the whisky becomes less interesting for some, but even then it is a cracker of a whisky! I do not agree with the comment that a later Brora is comparable to a Clynelish...There is nearly always a more peat and smoke in a Brora! The only exeptions are Clynelishes from the pre-Brora time, they also had noticably pore peat then the current Clynelish (as you probably know, Clynelish was renamed Brora in the late 60-ties... you can find the Clynelish-Brora history, and nearly all known bottlings at: http://www.whiskyfun.com/ ).

As far as Port Ellen is concerned: It is a good example of what an Islay whisky is all about! Hence: If you like peaty whiskies it's worth a try. But please watch out for what you're buying. I would strongly advise to steer clear of "Finished" PE (a number of Port wood finishes are quite dodgy i my book) unless you like that sort of thing.

Both of them have one thing in common: They both are closed, Hence more and more difficult to find, and prices will go up... so if you have the chance to try them now...please do, it's probably never gonna get better!
scoobypl
New member
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:26 am
Location: Belgium

Postby corbuso » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:07 pm

Hi Sku,
Port Ellen is good stuff and definitely worth trying. The best ones I tried so far are from 1978. The annual releases from Diageo (in particular the 1st, 2nd and 5th Releases) have a correct quality/price ratio. You can see some tasting notes at http://www.whisky-news.com in the tasting section.

For Brora, the signatory are very likely from 1981 to 1983. I haven't tried many of thoses, since I prefer the peated ones from the 1970s.
For your info, the tasting notes of several Brora from 1971 to 1981 will be posted on the above website over the next two weeks, starting end of this week.

Regards
corbuso
Gold Member
 
Posts: 878
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 11:56 am

Postby Deactivated Member » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:17 pm

I've never had Brora, although I have a ticket to a vertical Brora tasting in September. I have had Port Ellen and not found it to be terribly special - distinctively Islay but without being remarkable. A bit like Caol Ila.

The interesting thing is that despite their current cult status, both Port Ellen and Brora were made as blend fodder.

I had an interesting chat with the people at Clynelish when I visited. They said that in the case of Brora, Clynelish found that they had an old building with stills doing nothing when they had moved into their new build distillery. They decided to put the stills to use making a cheap peaty whisky to save paying the cost of buying in real Islay for their blends (a bit like Ardmore today). In the 1980s, there was an oversupply of whisky which meant that it became quite affordable to buy in Islay whisky, so there was no need to make their own imitation - Brora closed.

If Brora and Port Ellen were still open, there is no reason to think they would have developed such a following (for example, I couldn't imagine paying for a vertical tasting of five Clynelishes, even though I do like their products). The romance, though, is of our own making - the truth is rather prosaic.
Deactivated Member
 

Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:40 pm

Well said Nick I totally agree with your sentiments on this one. I as a collector of Irish Whiskey can get a bit irrational about rare Irish bottles at times but I do have to impose limits.

I prefer laphroaig & lagavulin over Ardbeg & Coal Ila. Therefore I'd hate to buy a Brora or Port Ellen just to find out it is a good/great Islay as opposed to a fabulous Islay whisky. If I spend 100 quid on a Brora and find it's only as good or slightly better as say Lap QC or a Laga 16 I'd actually be dissapointed. Unfortunately I associate cost with my enjoyment factor. Prime example is Jameson 12yo & 18yo. The 18yo is probably the better whiskey but it is not worth 65.00 Euro more in my opinion so 12yo wins hands don all the time and I enjoy it more.

However this can also work the other way ... if you spend a little more on that one special bottle you may appreciate the contents a bit more too..

At the end of the day it's what you are happy to pay for the whisky is all that counts.

Good luck in you final decision.

PS I'll probably buy a Brora at some stage too...
Last edited by irishwhiskeychaser on Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
irishwhiskeychaser
Cask Strength Gold Member
 
Posts: 3644
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:27 pm
Location: Galway, Ireland

Postby corbuso » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:50 pm

" The romance, though, is of our own making - the truth is rather prosaic."

Port Ellen (PE) is a good whisky and slightly less "characterful" than an Ardbeg or a Laphroaig. I do agree that the cult status of PE is reinforced by being an Islay whisky. However, a whisky don't get a cult status simply because it is a mothballed distillery. Some close or silent distilleries, such as Glen Keith will never reach a cult status, because the spirit was an average single malt.

Brora is now very sought after, because it is a very characterful whisky, with some similarities to the best Ardbeg and Bowmore from the 1970s. I do find most of these whiskies excellent.

"The interesting thing is that despite their current cult status, both Port Ellen and Brora were made as blend fodder. "

I think that the historical content should not be ignored. Until the end of the 1980s, very few whiskies were sold as single malts (e.g., Glenmorangie, Glenffidich, Glenfarclas) and the primary objectives of the distilleries was to produce "blend fodder". Brora and PE were closed because of overproduction during that period and the production of these distilleries was replaced by more modern and economical distilleries (Clynelish and Caol Ila). Diageo only started to bottle the Brora and PE in 1995+ and it is only then that whisky enthusiasts started to discover them as single malts. Brora will probably never reopened, since renovation would cost a lot of money and that the production costs would be too high.

...............
http://www.whisky-news.com
corbuso
Gold Member
 
Posts: 878
Joined: Tue May 24, 2005 11:56 am

Postby Deactivated Member » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:11 pm

Corbuso

I've not had the limited edition Port Ellens - but I have had some IBs that were not quite as old, many years ago. The impression I got was of a bog standard Islay - some smoke and iodine but way short of Laphroaig. It was not terribly individualistic and I could not put a cigarette paper between it and Caol Ila. Perhaps the current bottlings are better.

Your history is a bit wonky. Port Ellen and Brora were not replaced by Caol Ila and Clynelish. Brora only existed to make use of the former Clynelish stills, it was not replaced by Clynelish. Port Ellen and Caol Ila coexisted but in the 1980s, there was too much whisky about the place and Caol Ila and Port Ellen were under the same ownership. Since they produced near identical products, one had to get the chop. Port Ellen lost out.

Brora might have been good - I'll find out, but having seen reviews of their products I suspect it was of very variable quality. I know some closed distilleries have not got cult status. I suspect the difference between these two and the others is not quality - it is peat. At the moment, peat seems to be enormously fashionable (cf. peated versions of so many Highland and Speyside whiskies now, Octomore "experiments", etc.)
Deactivated Member
 

Postby Whiskana » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:55 pm

My experiences with Port Ellen are somewhat limited, I'm not overly excited by them. They are always drinkable but price/quality-ratio is not always to my liking.

So far I have bought myself only Signatory 1979/2002 and DL OMC 1978/27yo (sherry finish); both OK but...

Otherwise tasted bottlings: 1978/24yo annual release 2nd, Connosseurs Choice 1981 & 1982, McGibbons Provenance 1982/21yo (sherry) and some younger one 1983/11yo (don't remember the bottler; Italian?). Provenance was cheapish and good. Annual release is a good bet also.

I tend to keep one bottle of PE always handy on my shelf but that's it.

Brora on the other hand excites me more. I have the Rare Malts 20yo (cheap and "the worst"), 21yo (absolutely drammastic!), 24yo (very good) and the ones from the DL OMC series' bottlings from the seventies are great also. If You see something under the 100 euro limit, it is not probably so good but handing out 120-150 euros (which I do too often, according to my wife) for a Brora is safe investment. http://www.whiskyfun.com is worth checking for tasting notes.

I have some unopened "GREAT" Broras tucked under the matress for me to open in the future. When You find something, You have to buy enough... 8)
Whiskana
Bronze Member
 
Posts: 102
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:05 am
Location: Finland

Postby Jan » Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:42 pm

I have only tasted a few port ellens, most of which has been very good, even brilliant. Have also tasted one that I did not care for at all. (Provenance sherry matured.)

Go for the Annual releases, they should all be fairly good.

Have not tasted any Broras yet, but have one of the 30 year olds tucked away :D

Cheers
Jan
Jan
Gold Member
 
Posts: 965
Joined: Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:15 pm
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby Admiral » Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:16 am

Brora yes, Port Ellen no.

:) Admiral
Admiral
Triple Gold Member
 
Posts: 2719
Joined: Wed Jan 08, 2003 2:01 am
Location: Australia

Return to Whisky Tastings

Whisky gift and present finder