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A Good Smokey Malt

Postby ScotchPalate » Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:13 pm

I've seemed to have developed an appreciation for smokiness in my Malts. What's good Malt, heavy on the smoke?
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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:45 pm

What have you tried so far?
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Postby lexvo » Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:08 pm

Lagavulin 16
Ardbeg 10
Laphroaig 10
and more..... :)
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Postby ScotchPalate » Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:20 pm

I have the Highland Park 18. It's complex. Of the complex tastes, there is some smokiness in the finish, but it isn't strong. I wouldn't mind a stronger smokey flavor.

I haven't tried any Islay yet. I was trying to decide between Lophroaig 1/4 Cask and Ardbeg 10. When I posted this so many people mentioned Lagavulin 16, I'm now debating between it and Ardbeg 10.

I think I'll try Lagavulin 16 first. As it is known for smokiness. I understand that Ardbeg is smokey but has some sweet peat to it's complex flavor(s). Ardbeg has a lot of fans. I'm sure I can't lose either way. :D
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Postby Photon » Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:42 pm

Oban has a more subtle smokiness.

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Postby BruceCrichton » Tue Nov 07, 2006 9:49 pm

ScotchPalate wrote:
I haven't tried any Islay yet. I was trying to decide between Lophroaig 1/4 Cask and Ardbeg 10. When I posted this so many people mentioned Lagavulin 16, I'm now debating between it and Ardbeg 10.



For smoke and peat, the younger whiskies are better.

Ardbeg 10 is very smoky. Laphroaig 1/4 cask is excellent. It had the usual phenolic flavours associated with Laphroiag but has a fresher taste than the 10 year old. If you can get any of the young Ardbegs at cask strength, those are worth having.

Talisker 10 has a smoky and peppery start and a sweet finish.

Independent Caol Ilas are usually reliable for peat and smoke. DTC's Auld Reekie is a good start, if you can get it.

Smoky speysiders are Benriach 10 and 21, Ardmore and Ballantruan (peated Tomintoul). Ballantruan is bottled at 50%abv
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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:04 pm

lexvo wrote:Lagavulin 16
Ardbeg 10
Laphroaig 10
and more..... :)


That's the whole top shelf for smoke and peat, with Caol Ila on shelf 1a. Shelf 2 would be Bowmore and Talisker. Big drop-off after that, maybe Pulteney and some others. That's as far as general distillery character; more and more distilleries are hopping on the peat bandwagon, with varying degrees of success; so there's Bruichladdich 3D, BenRiach Curiositas, and so on. (For the record, I didn't think too much of either of those.) Perhaps others here will mention specific bottlings of peaty stuff in unexpected places. (I haven't even mentioned Brora or Port Ellen, defunct distilleries whose product is getting very expensive...no point getting you all excited about those!)

Enjoy your time on the peat parade, and don't forget that there are other pleasures out there.
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Postby Wave » Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:04 pm

An interesting one is Dailuaine, smoke without the peat! 8)


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Postby Scotty Mc » Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:29 pm

I'm fond of Caol Ila 18 for smokiness.
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Postby ScotchPalate » Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:15 am

Lagavulin 16 Vs. Ardbeg 10....hmmm.....Lagavulin 16 VS. Ardbeg 10
hmmmmm......decisions, decisions
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Postby Scotty Mc » Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:17 am

I think both of those malts have their pro's and con's. It may be worth trying the Ardbeg first however. It's cheaper :wink:
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Postby BruceCrichton » Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:29 am

Ardbeg is also peatier and smokier than Lagavulin 16
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Postby TheLaddie » Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:06 am

Having read this post earlier I decided to sacrifice my evening to a smoky tasting. Performed solo as I have no mates... This evening then the following have passed my nostrils and lips.

Ardbeg Uigeadail
Ardbeg 10yo
Ardbeg Very Young
Ardbeg Still Young
Ardbeg Oogling
Bruichladdich Infinity First Edition
Bruichladdich Waves
Laphroaig Quarter Cask

Small drams of course: my liver is a temple... My palate is buggered for about a week though. Definitely no point in touching a lowland for a bit.

Funnily I found some of those with a sweeter finish were less overpoweringly medicinal which gave the smoke a bit more prominence. The Uigeadail and Infinity are gorgeous sweet but smoky whiskies. The Oogling (A sherry finished very young Ardbeg) is exceptional and probably the most purely smoky whisky I tried. Very difficult to get hold of though.

Very Young and Still Young are powerfully medicinal and very hot on the palate particularly at cask strength but a very smoky and long lasting finish.

Ardbeg 10 and Laphroaig Quarter Cask are more balanced. Bruichladdich aves is very nice but may be a bit subtle if smoke is what you are after.

Think I'll go for a lie down...
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Postby Deactivated Member » Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:25 am

TheLaddie wrote:The Oogling (A sherry finished very young Ardbeg) is exceptional and probably the most purely smoky whisky I tried. Very difficult to get hold of though.


Why, I have hold of my Oogling at this very moment. No problem!

Mr Picky sez it is a vatting of three ex-bourbon hogsheads (250 litres each) of Very Young Ardbeg and one 2002 sherry butt (500 litres), rather than a finish. Assuming the angels hadn't got around to it yet, that's 1250 litres, or 1785 bottles max. So yes, very limited, and long gone from the distillery when I was there.
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Postby TheLaddie » Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:41 am

I stand (with a very slight list to the right...) corrected. Cheers! :P
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Postby Deactivated Member » Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:46 am

You'd have known that if you could read the label, but after the above, it's quite understandable! Cheers back at ya!
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my favorite

Postby JohnyyGuitar » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:10 am

Talisker.............hands down, don't mind the price though, it's just high 'cause to many people like it..........it's all about supply and demand you know,
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Postby Deactivated Member » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:18 am

BruceCrichton wrote:...For smoke and peat, the younger whiskies are better.

Ardbeg 10 is very smoky...


Interesting, but incomplete, at least for me. I don't mind smoke -- I found Buffalo Trace's "Fire Pot" experimental very interesting -- but am not fond of peat. Is there a smoky single malt that doesn't emphasize the peat? If so, I'd be sorely tempted to try that one.
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Postby ScotchPalate » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:19 am

Talisker, eh? The 10 or the 18 (I'm assuming the 10).
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Postby Deactivated Member » Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:48 am

TNbourbon wrote:
BruceCrichton wrote:...For smoke and peat, the younger whiskies are better.

Ardbeg 10 is very smoky...


Interesting, but incomplete, at least for me. I don't mind smoke -- I found Buffalo Trace's "Fire Pot" experimental very interesting -- but am not fond of peat. Is there a smoky single malt that doesn't emphasize the peat? If so, I'd be sorely tempted to try that one.


We had this discussion once, a long time ago...I don't see how you separate the two, at least as far as scotch is concerned. It's peat smoke. I do recall Glenfiddich Caoran tasting more of wood smoke, but I thought it was awful.
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Postby Promethus » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:29 am

Greetings from Singapore.

Laphroaig is considered pretty rare here. It's no where to be found, guess the local here don't fancy it. Almost everyone here drinks Chivas Regal and JD and mixed them with bottled green tea.......

But a friend had brought a bottle over a while back and I simply love it.

Its light and very refreshing!

Will be keeping a lookout for the others recommended here! :? :P
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Postby Lawrence » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:45 am

A fellow Laphroaig lover! Welcome to the forum!

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Postby Promethus » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:53 am

Lawrence wrote:A fellow Laphroaig lover! Welcome to the forum!

Lawrence


Thanks Lawrence!! I am learning so much in just 1 hour!

Singapore is a very sad place for whisky lovers....

Everywhere you go, it's just Chivas this and Chivas that.

McCallan 12yrs is being sold here for 6euros a glass. And Special reserves are very seldom found.....

If you want stuffs like Cutty Sark etc, they are nowhere to be found.

Much less stuffs like Bowmore etc.


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Postby Lord_Pfaffin » Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:19 am

If its smoke that you're looking for, try Laga' 12yo CS, Caol Ila 12yo CS and if you prefer a good whack of smoke sherry and peat together, my favorite and a super bargain, Dun Bheagan Islay 8yo (Laga'), its smooth and creamy too. :wink:
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Postby Thesh » Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:25 am

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Postby Lawrence » Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:28 am

Promethus wrote:
Lawrence wrote:A fellow Laphroaig lover! Welcome to the forum!

Lawrence


Thanks Lawrence!! I am learning so much in just 1 hour!

Singapore is a very sad place for whisky lovers....

Everywhere you go, it's just Chivas this and Chivas that.

McCallan 12yrs is being sold here for 6euros a glass. And Special reserves are very seldom found.....

If you want stuffs like Cutty Sark etc, they are nowhere to be found.

Much less stuffs like Bowmore etc.


:evil:


You should check out this place;

http://www.highlanderasia.com/home.html

If they can find different whiskies locally then you should be able to also, does that seem reasonable??

Let us know,

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Postby les taylor » Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:09 pm

Have you tried smokehead, its full of smoke. From Islay and tastes like an old bonfire.

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Postby Whisky » Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:32 pm

Scotty Mc wrote:I'm fond of Caol Ila 18 for smokiness.


The iodine dominates that one, I found.
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Postby Dubois » Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:56 pm

When mentioning Lagavulin,it is mostly the 16 yrs;
Why not Lagavulin 12 Yrs ?
Personaly I think it is one of the best Islay-drams out there.
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Postby BruceCrichton » Wed Nov 08, 2006 9:31 pm

Smokehead is okay but Ardbeg 10 is smokier.

A good friend of mine, A. Source, tells me that Smokehead is Ardbeg.
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Postby Promethus » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:12 pm

Lawrence wrote:
Promethus wrote:
Lawrence wrote:A fellow Laphroaig lover! Welcome to the forum!

Lawrence


Thanks Lawrence!! I am learning so much in just 1 hour!

Singapore is a very sad place for whisky lovers....

Everywhere you go, it's just Chivas this and Chivas that.

McCallan 12yrs is being sold here for 6euros a glass. And Special reserves are very seldom found.....

If you want stuffs like Cutty Sark etc, they are nowhere to be found.

Much less stuffs like Bowmore etc.


:evil:


You should check out this place;

http://www.highlanderasia.com/home.html

If they can find different whiskies locally then you should be able to also, does that seem reasonable??

Let us know,

Lawrence


They had just opened less than a month ago, and I have yet visited the place.

They have the license to sell and import beverages alcohol. Singapore is a little strict over these kind of things. You either buy what you can off the shelves or you get to buy a bottle or 2 at the airport when you go out of the country.

It is illegal to import or export without license and the post office will not accept alcohol as they are considered a hazard. Just like perfume.
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Postby Ardbeg311 » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:15 pm

Dubois wrote:When mentioning Lagavulin....Why not Lagavulin 12 Yrs ?
Personaly I think it is one of the best Islay-drams out there.


Couldn't agree more! I have not yet had the 2006, but the 2002-2004 bottles have all been spectacular. IMO they avoid the "too one-dimensional" label that is sometimes stuck on this bottle when a comparision is made with the 16 (a problem I concede with the Laga 12 2005 -- at least with the bottle I had recently). Plenty of smoke and sweetness that run together beautifully like the Ardbeg Uigeadail 2004. Great mouthfeel as well.

I think that the Bruichladdich Moine Mhor is very smoky in an ashtray sense, though less full-bodied than the Laga 12yo.
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Postby peergynt323 » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:09 am

I have a confession: I rarely experience very much smoke in the islay single malts that I drink--mostly peat, cream, sweetness and the like. Maybe it's because I smoked when I was younger? Who knows.

Anyway, that's all with one notable exception that no one mentioned: Johnnie Walker Black. That is definitely the smokiest whisky I've tasted. Jameson 12 Years Old is also smokey (is it illegal to refer to an Irish Whisky here?).
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Postby Lawrence » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:19 am

peergynt323 wrote:I have a confession: I rarely experience very much smoke in the islay single malts that I drink--mostly peat, cream, sweetness and the like. Maybe it's because I smoked when I was younger? Who knows.

Anyway, that's all with one notable exception that no one mentioned: Johnnie Walker Black. That is definitely the smokiest whisky I've tasted. Jameson 12 Years Old is also smokey (is it illegal to refer to an Irish Whisky here?).


Interesting point on the JWB and about the Irish? No, talk away.
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Boooooooooooowmore

Postby JohnyyGuitar » Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:25 am

Did anyone say Bowmore ? Taste smokey to me....from the el-cheapo Legend on up, my current lover is Bowmore Dusk, but don't tell, I was cheating on her the other nite at the local pub with her 17 year old sister...I did have to drop some cash on her but what a go of it we had, she had me licking her gl-ass for just one more taste by the end of the nite.
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