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Single malt and screwcap!!!

Postby Robocod » Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:30 pm

I have just returned from a trip in Denmark and when returning I visited Bottle Shop at the Öresundsbridge and bought 2 bottles of Glenfarclas 12 YO at 299 DKK each. Great price for 1 liter bottles. Finally at home and pouring myself a dram I spotted ..... a screwcap. :shock:

I never seen a quality single malt with screwcap. The whisky is very good but it doesn´t feel to great unscrewing and pouring.

Has anybody had similar experiences?
Is it a forthcoming trend (I think not and hope not)?

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Postby Mr Fjeld » Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:31 pm

Yes, the Glenfarclas 12 is widely available in Norway too. Very good and I have to say I love the screwcap as it makes it charmingly unpretentious!
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Postby Robocod » Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:14 pm

Hmmm your right Mr Fjeld.
This could be a single malt to father-in-law. He is more of a Canadian Club, Black Velvet sort of person. This could be the malt to lure him into the single malt way of the world.
Moah-ha-haa:insane:

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Postby Aidan » Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:33 pm

I like the screw caps. They work well and that's all that matters really.
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Postby vitara7 » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:28 pm

i got a bottle of glenfraclas 8yo at the distillery last year and if i recall that too came with a screw top
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:38 pm

Screw caps don't bother me either .... it actually makes a nice difference to all the cork popping ....

... and it does not make me think whether it is a lower quality product or not...
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Postby vitara7 » Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:39 pm

doesnt make me think that its a lower quality malt, but screw caps are cheaper than cork ones, saving money for them.
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Postby Paul A Jellis » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:43 pm

Screwcaps are the work of the devil, Satan himself invented them on a wet Tuesday when he became board with famine, plague and pestilence.

They are best kept for lesser drinks, like gin and vodka!
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Postby Reggaeblues » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:46 pm

glenfarclas is the only malt with a screwcap i've come across...and that was a 10YO.

the 12 I recently purcahased from Sainsbury's (£15!!) came in a big blue tin...and had a cork top.
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Postby Di Blasi » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:05 am

I love it! Yes, unpretentious and very drinkable! Easy to get to, meant to be drunk, and no need for a cork. And like wine, never corked! Beautiful!
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:09 am

Screwcaps are the wave of the future, or should be. There is no reason in the world that whisky ought to be stoppered with cork--in fact, it can only cause problems. The screwcaps only need to be sturdy enough for long-term use, and the customers only need to get over their irrational prejudices. (I'm working on it.)
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Postby bond » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:34 am

There has been discussion on the subject in other parts of the forum with specific reference to Gelnfarclas. Apart from the cost dimension, screwcaps apparently help them bottle faster too.
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Postby Feldrin » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:29 am

It's stupid and non-logical, what with a cork being able to rot and all, but I just like corks. I fully grasp why a screwcap is better and I don't mind it being used but...heck. The sound of the cork plopping off when opening a bottle, the look of the cork and how you can already smell the whisky from it. They're all very small nice moments that make me like a cork, even though I shouldn't.

The only bottle I currently got with a screwcap is the Glenfiddich 12y. Oh and the Ballantine's Finest. Haven't seen a lot of single malts with screwcaps.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:31 am

Screwtops are the way forward. Wine producers are gradually getting their act to gether so why not SMW. In fact, the industry should look at the whole packaging thing and make it greener. Is there an alternative to using glass? I feel a new thread coming on!
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Postby recordmeister » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:58 am

There is nothoing better than the sound of a cork top being pulled out of a whisky bottle. However, having said that the cork broke off my half full bottle or Ardbeg 10 Year Old last week, leaving half of it stuck in the bottle, which I had to remove with a sharp knife. Argh! Nightmare. Lucky that I was very near the end of some Highland Park 18 YO so could finish that off and swap the tops over!! Phew.
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:00 am

Crieftan wrote:Screwtops are the way forward. Wine producers are gradually getting their act to gether so why not SMW. In fact, the industry should look at the whole packaging thing and make it greener. Is there an alternative to using glass? I feel a new thread coming on!



I can see it now tetra pack whisky ... a fine 18yo in a carton :lol:

However is glass still not one of the more green alternatives :?
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Postby les taylor » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:16 am

Crieftan wrote:Screwtops are the way forward. Wine producers are gradually getting their act to gether so why not SMW. In fact, the industry should look at the whole packaging thing and make it greener. Is there an alternative to using glass? I feel a new thread coming on!




We had a wine masterclass with Matt Skinner on saturday. He talked for a bit about closures. The screw top bottle has eradicated the risk of Corked wine through the bacteria TCA. So we might see it in the Whisky industry.

Criefy I dont want my whisky in a plastic bottle. We are then in the realms of Cola and Fairy Liquid.


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Postby Deactivated Member » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:24 am

I have no problem with screwtops. Actually, I really don't like the lead and cork solution as the corks have a habit of disintegrating and the lead is a pain to open and it leaved a jagged edge that just asks to cut fingers.

I recall about ten years ago that Glen Moray came with a hard moulded plastic screwcap - not the flimsy metal affairs you normally see. This would obviously have looked better had it not been in Glen Moray blue, but it looked more permanent and reusable than the metal screwcaps.

Right now, I am trying to reduce the number of open bottles and I only have one screwcap - the G&M Glenburgie 1964. Very good it is too!
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Postby Ganga » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:38 pm

I have had two high end beverages with a screwtop. The first was a 35-yo Glenrothes bottled by G&M. The second was a 1/2 bottle of Springbank 25.

The screwcap for the Glenrothes was pretty good although I worry about deterioration of the liner to the screwcap. The screwcap for the Springbank was terrible. I ended up having to transfer the contents to another empty bottle because I couldn't get it to screwback on properly.

I don't mind the screwcaps so long as they can be resealed.
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Postby Mr Ellen » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:44 pm

I guess it could be a long and serious debate if we should corner all aspects of each "bottle stopper". Personally, I prefer the original cork to all other alternatives.
Regarding screwcaps for wine I've read several alarming reports and studies that have shown that oxidation, reduction, bacteriological contamination and volatile acidity faults can often be found in screwcapped wines. (Maybe I will believe otherwise when I see famous Chateau's like Margaux, Latour or Beychevelle start using other alternatives than cork)

And, more importantly, you need to burn metal screwcaps in order to recycle the metal (scrap metal is melted in a furnace which causes the plastic to ignite, releasing dioxins)

Cork can be recycled without any global warming involved and is fully biodegradable. It reproduces on the trees where it grows and a tree can be harvested 12-15 times before it's no longer acceptable productive.

Above all, it is a material that is one hundred per cent natural, recyclable and biodegradable, three essential qualities in a more environmentally friendly and less polluted modern society.

And let's not forget that in Portugal alone, 12500 workers are dependent on this industry.

By the way, the Glenfarclas I have in my glass at the moment has a screwcap...and I miss the POP when I open the bottle :(

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Postby Quaichuser » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:38 am

C_I wrote:
irishwhiskeychaser wrote:I can see it now tetra pack whisky ... a fine 18yo in a carton :lol:


I have seen it... "McCarton Whisky" 2 litres of whisky in carton box with plastic inside (like the wine).


As long as they tape the little sippy straw to the side of the carton. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:17 am

To be honest, I never noticed the pop the cork makes until I saw the fuss people make over it on these forums - for me, the moment a whisky is opened, it becomes a disposable, consumable commodity just like a tin of beans. All I want is for it to keep well. I think the chances are probably higher using a method other than cork.

In terms of recycling, perhaps a cork in itself is easily biodegradable. I'm not so sure it remains that way when you put the plastic end on it to make it a reusable cork. And the employment argument is, for me, irrelevant. Coal fired power stations in china employ a lot of people, but it doesn't make them any more acceptable.
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Postby les taylor » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:07 am

For the average Chinese Coal powered power station worker. To him or her and the family they support. Their job is vital.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:22 am

les taylor wrote:For the average Chinese Coal powered power station worker. To him or her and the family they support. Their job is vital.

So what's your point Les? Should we all get our power from Chinese coal fired power stations to support that family?
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Postby les taylor » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:25 am

Nick Brown wrote:
les taylor wrote:For the average Chinese Coal powered power station worker. To him or her and the family they support. Their job is vital.

So what's your point Les? Should we all get our power from Chinese coal fired power stations to support that family?


It's good sometimes to look at things from another persons point of view. Living in the west is a lot easier than other places in the world.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:38 am

les taylor wrote:
Nick Brown wrote:
les taylor wrote:For the average Chinese Coal powered power station worker. To him or her and the family they support. Their job is vital.

So what's your point Les? Should we all get our power from Chinese coal fired power stations to support that family?

It's good sometimes to look at things from another persons point of view. Living in the west is a lot easier than other places in the world.

I'm afraid I disagree with that viewpoint absolutely. Coal fired power stations in China are contributing catastrophically to lasting environmental damage, not to mention the systematic poisoning of people who work in them and live nearby. Saying, oh well, they keep people in employment is just intellectually lazy. If we have more privilege and opportuinity in the west then we might dedicate some of it to educating and assisting in alternative development in poorer parts of the world. But basing consumer choice purely on what keeps people in employment is at best idly romantic and at worst is plain dangerous. IMO, of course.
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:45 am

C_I wrote:
irishwhiskeychaser wrote:I can see it now tetra pack whisky ... a fine 18yo in a carton :lol:


I have seen it... "McCarton Whisky" 2 litres of whisky in carton box with plastic inside (like the wine).

http://www.mytravelairshop.dk/ProductDe ... temNo=4276

But G&McP has used a lot of screwcaps in the past.



Looks like classy stuff :wink:
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Postby les taylor » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:53 am

Nick Brown wrote:
les taylor wrote:
Nick Brown wrote:
les taylor wrote:For the average Chinese Coal powered power station worker. To him or her and the family they support. Their job is vital.

So what's your point Les? Should we all get our power from Chinese coal fired power stations to support that family?

It's good sometimes to look at things from another persons point of view. Living in the west is a lot easier than other places in the world.

I'm afraid I disagree with that viewpoint absolutely. Coal fired power stations in China are contributing catastrophically to lasting environmental damage, not to mention the systematic poisoning of people who work in them and live nearby. Saying, oh well, they keep people in employment is just intellectually lazy. If we have more privilege and opportuinity in the west then we might dedicate some of it to educating and assisting in alternative development in poorer parts of the world. But basing consumer choice purely on what keeps people in employment is at best idly romantic and at worst is plain dangerous. IMO, of course.




Well said Nick.
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Postby Ardbeg311 » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:12 pm

I have no strong preference for either cork or screw cap. The issue for me is what will best keep my whisky from spoiling or evaporation over the long term.
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:24 pm

Ardbeg311 wrote:I have no strong preference for either cork or screw cap. The issue for me is what will best keep my whisky from spoiling or evaporation over the long term.


I have noticed that the Screw cap keep evaporation at bay much better than cork as I have agood few screw caps in my collection.

If I'm planning to keep a bottle for a period and it has a screw cap I give it a little twist clock wise (i.e. closing it) to make sure it is tight. It is not uncommon for these to be a small bit lose from the bottling plant.
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Postby kildalton » Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:12 pm

We discussed some time ago the point about screw or corks for what concerns evaporation so in the meantime
I've matured the idea they're both equal, what really is important are the general storage condition.
Without light, upright and in a well done wood armoir.(and possibly in an
environment where the t° is stable enough)
Those are in my opinion the best conditions.
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Postby Mr Ellen » Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:19 pm

les taylor wrote:
Nick Brown wrote:
les taylor wrote:
Nick Brown wrote:
les taylor wrote:For the average Chinese Coal powered power station worker. To him or her and the family they support. Their job is vital.

So what's your point Les? Should we all get our power from Chinese coal fired power stations to support that family?

It's good sometimes to look at things from another persons point of view. Living in the west is a lot easier than other places in the world.

I'm afraid I disagree with that viewpoint absolutely. Coal fired power stations in China are contributing catastrophically to lasting environmental damage, not to mention the systematic poisoning of people who work in them and live nearby. Saying, oh well, they keep people in employment is just intellectually lazy. If we have more privilege and opportuinity in the west then we might dedicate some of it to educating and assisting in alternative development in poorer parts of the world. But basing consumer choice purely on what keeps people in employment is at best idly romantic and at worst is plain dangerous. IMO, of course.

Well said Nick.


Can't really see the connection between the coal fired power plants in China and the non-dangerous environment in which the 12500 employees of Portugal's cork producing industry work... :roll:

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Postby les taylor » Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:39 pm

Anders read the bottom of page 1. as well. That way you can follow all of the discussion.



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Postby Mr Ellen » Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:03 pm

Yes Les,

I read that too, but I'm still a bit confused. I'm not the one to support the Chinese coal fired power plants in order to prevent unemployment but by keeping the cork we could save a lot of people from unemployment in Europe. And these people work in a non dangerous environment. Would that be a bad thing?
Why mix in the Chinese and powerplants in the discussion at all?

Still confused... :roll:

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Postby les taylor » Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:14 pm

Mr Ellen wrote:Yes Les,

I read that too, but I'm still a bit confused. I'm not the one to support the Chinese coal fired power plants in order to prevent unemployment but by keeping the cork we could save a lot of people from unemployment in Europe. And these people work in a non dangerous environment. Would that be a bad thing?
Why mix in the Chinese and powerplants in the discussion at all?

Still confused... :roll:

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