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[Q]uestion: how many bottles are in one cask?

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[Q]uestion: how many bottles are in one cask?

Postby earthphoenix » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:35 am

when i was visiting ebay, i was wandering, why there are 3 different series of one cask of bushmills. the auction numbers are
330139669686 :160 / 250(bottlenumber)
330133181363 :160 / 247
330132692308 :160 / 258
and all are from cask 160!! please correct me if i'm wrong, but don't you think this smells a little bit, too??

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Postby martin grant » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:38 am

Welcome to the forum earthphoenix.

I'm sure it's just some sellers not doing their research properly
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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:56 am

I don't see the problem - obviously if you have three different bottles, they will have three different numbers. It would be suspicious if they didn't!
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Re: [Q]uestion: how many bottles are in one cask?

Postby corbuso » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:16 am

earthphoenix wrote:when i was visiting ebay, i was wandering, why there are 3 different series of one cask of bushmills. the auction numbers are
330139669686 :160 / 250(bottlenumber)
330133181363 :160 / 247
330132692308 :160 / 258
and all are from cask 160!! please correct me if i'm wrong, but don't you think this smells a little bit, too??

kind regards,
nils

The number of bottles depend from the size of the cask (ranging from about 150 to 650 L), the age of the whisky and the strength in the bottle. From a sherry butt, you might bottle over 600 bottles at cask strength, but then reduced to 40 %, you might go over 1000 bottles.

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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:27 am

Rereading - the bottle number is three digits to give the cask number and three digits to give the bottle number. Hence 160/250 means bottle number 250 from cask number 160. There is no indication on the label of how many bottles they were going to get from each cask because they didn't know at the time they were printing the labels. They had lots of casks, all being bottled at the same time. They had a sheaf of labels for each cask, numbered sequentially. When the whisky ran out from the cask, they binned the rest of the labels. The whisky was all in Bourbon barrels, suggesting arouund 300 bottles per barrel - and I think they didn't lose as much to the angels as they had expected.
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Postby les taylor » Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:57 am

The latest against the grain offering. Dead Leg was 381 bottles for instance.


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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:41 am

Welcome to the Forums earthphoenix .... just a quick bit about these bottles ...

These were released privately especially for the Millenium... Distilled in 1975 and bottled in 1999.

Basically they released 365 casks to be sold to individuals and even though the labels are all much the same you could if you wanted to put you own name or company name on the label also in this case Angles Share. These casks were 24years old but originally held enough for about 350 bottles at 43%. However after 24 years in the cask and averaging 2% evapouration per year you can come up with a figure of about 180 bottles max but could yield a number as low as 140. So the 160 bottles is very much in the ball park here.

Any of these that I have tasted have been very good but they are still very plentiful and pop up very regularly.

I presume this seller has XXX out the bottle number so he can use the picture as a stock picture and reuse the picture over and over again.

I would not be too suspicious about these current retail value probably 120-150Euro.
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Postby Deactivated Member » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:47 am

IWC - are you sure about the numbers? I thought they were getting over 250 bottles per cask which far exceeded what they had expected - and also meant that the various consortiums that had bought casks had to work out what to do with the unexpected surplus.
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:03 pm

Nick Brown wrote:IWC - are you sure about the numbers? I thought they were getting over 250 bottles per cask which far exceeded what they had expected - and also meant that the various consortiums that had bought casks had to work out what to do with the unexpected surplus.


To be quite honest Nick I'm not 100% sure I was looking up some of my details that I had and based it on that.

I had a number of 280 -350 in my notes but any the bottles I've had had a bottle run of 140 - 180 so I did a quick calculation and reckoned it must of been evapouration precentage .... but if what your saying is true I suppose what that maybe is split casks between 2 buyers or the Angles (non) share :wink: ... it's been a while since I researched these bottles. I'll do another bit of checking at the end of the day or Aidan may be able to reaffirm.

At the end of the day I would not be suspicious about these bottles anyway.

Thanks for the intervention .... don't need to be spreading the wrong story around ... :oops:
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Postby earthphoenix » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:23 am

thanks for youre answers. i was just irritated by those numbers. i thought that guy offered thre 160^th bottles of three different series from one cask 160.\\
as i'm now even more into bushmillenium and you seem to have some knowledge, is there any special cask that is assumed to be better than the others?

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Postby Deactivated Member » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:40 am

The casks were all sold privately. There would be nobody who would have tasted enough casks to answer this - and if they could, you'd never be able to trace bottles from their preferred cask.

All the Bushmills Millennium I've had so far has been astonishingly good.
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Postby irishwhiskeychaser » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:26 am

Yes I concur with Nick .....

Just get what you can where you can at the cheapest possible price there seems to be plenty popping up around the place so I won't go too mad but it is a finite run of whiskey at the same time.
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