Laphroaig Vintage Reserve 1960

[rm1]

Hi all,

Just a quick heads up if I may (and I hope I'm not breaking any rules or etiquette!).

I'm selling a Laphroaig 1960 (bottle no. 019) on ebay at the moment, it's easy enough to find, there's only one.

thanks and
good luck if you're interested.

rm

[slojo]

What are you hoping to get, out of interest?

Good luck with the sale

[rm1]

Hi Slojo

In answer to your question, as much as I can!

Recent sales of the Laphroaig, both retail and private look quite healthy, so now seems as good a time as any. (If I knew any russian I'd be selling it there!!!)

I bought it when originally released, as part of a burgeoning collection, but I no longer collect and it's been gathering dust, so I'll also be selling some more soonish. (don't worry I still drink plenty of the wonderful stuff! )

Thanks for the reply and the good luck

rm

[rm1]

Hi

Thanks for the welcome, quite amused that you're watching the auction, don't be shy if you want to place a bid

I'll not say what it cost me if that's ok, but it wasn't cheap! However, if you compare it to other comparable releases at the time, for what it is and being a limited release it was quite a good buy. I didn't get the chance to try it, but I knew a few people who had; if I remember, a subtle, ashy, complexity, they said it was very good! (you'd hope so!) I also knew of one chap who bought one straight after tasting his fathers.

(and yes I did forget to put a reserve on it )

rm

[Deactivated Member]

I believe it cost around £350 when new. I may be a few pounds over or under. But that's pretty immaterial to what it will fetch. It ought to go for £600-£1000 I would have thought. I shall watch with interest as I have a bottle stashed away too.

[Di Blasi]

Welcome to the forums rm1, and good luck with this, a beautiful presentation. Looking forward to hearing about your other whiskies for sale.

[rm1]

Just hoping that not everybody is only watching the auction! Enjoy the bidding though.
Have to say that the Islay whiskies are my favourites, particularly the south coast, and maybe the mid-island ones, and then there's the ones at the top...

cheers

rm

[RufusA]

I believe it cost around £350 when new.

It was actually £375 - released exclusively through Oddbins in 2001. The only reason I know is that SWMBO kindly bought me a bottle with her final pay cheque before going on maternity leave - which was nice! Our oldest is now 7.

I've still got the bottle sitting in a cupboard somewhere, haven't had the heart to drink it, and am now sitting on it as an investment.

RM, FYI I've added myself as a watch, but won't be bidding. Good luck with the auction though, and it's good to see it has reached a healthy price already before the bidding frenzy begins.

FWIW the Whisky Exchange are chancing their arm asking for the eye watering price of £1750. !

http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-3401.aspx

Royal Mile's bottle I believe sold for £1k despite having mildew on the label.

Rufus.

[bjm]

What is the difference between this and the L 40 year old? Thanks

[rm1]

Hi all

@RufusA
Lucky you getting it bought for you! I didn't have the heart to open it either, (or the pockets!) although several friends constantly encouraged it!
The way things are going I imagine it might go partway to paying for part of a term at university for the youngsters!

I was aware of the whisky exchange price, cheers, though more eye- watering is the 5K pricetag at whiskyworld.ru (wish I knew Russian!)

I don't think the bottle at RMWhiskies had mildew on it , this is part of the label print, and all cases will have it - somebody not doing their research! Surprising because Keir had several at one point...

@bjm

The difference is that the 1960 is a vintage, being from whisky only of 1960. The 40yo under the legal description of what scotch whisky can be, can contain in its blend (unless from a single cask all whisky is a blend of different casks), whisky with a maximum age of 40 years - it may contain younger, right to a youthful 3 years old ( the legal age limit that scotch whisky can be bottled at).

I can't remember exactly, but the 300 bottles of the 1960 edition were chosen from either 1 or 2 casks. The 3000 or so bottles for the worldwide release of the 40yo came from a wider gamut of casks.

Or so I believe. (prepared for flaming )

rm

[Deactivated Member]

RM - not a flaming but a gentle correction. The 40yo means that the minimum age of whisky in it was 40yo - not the maximum age.

The 1960 was for the UK market as an Oddbins exclusive whilst the 40yo was not limited and sold elsewhere.

All the box labels have greasy spots - this is from the glue that was used. It's not ideal, but it does, I suppose, prove the box to be genuine.

[RufusA]

What is the difference between this and the L 40 year old? Thanks

From memory they are reasonably similar. The "1960" was a single cask, of 300 bottles released in the UK in summer 2001. All numbered, the cask known to have been created by Bessie.

The "40 year old" was a vatting of a few casks from 1960 / 1961 released in the US, Continental Europe and Travel Retail. Probably 2000+ bottles, I don't know if they were numbered, and the last few bottles retailed for £1000 to "Friends". Released in September 2001.

Taste wise they are probably pretty similar, however the 1960 is IMHO significantly rarer and therefore probably more valuable in collectors terms.

HTH - Rufus.

[bjm]

Very interesting Nick. Thank you. So they were all bottled in march 1960? In this case can we say that that the 1960 reserve is one in a series of a bottling of approx 3300 bottles not 300..hmmmm...

The limited edition of 300 is a slightly misleading then... no? or is there other differences in the 1960 V L40?

Thanks again.


[quote="Nick Brown"]RM - not a flaming but a gentle correction. The 40yo means that the minimum age of whisky in it was 40yo - not the maximum age.

The 1960 was for the UK market as an Oddbins exclusive whilst the 40yo was not limited and sold elsewhere.

All the box labels have greasy spots - this is from the glue that was used. It's not ideal, but it does, I suppose, prove the box to be genuine.[/quote]

[rm1]

Hi Nick

thanks, I stand corrected - confused myself! It's been a while since I did any whisky chat.

Regards the 1960, I am still of the understanding that it was 'hand selected', compared to the 'batch' release of the 40yo, because it was an 'exclusive' for Oddbins.

Anyone with more info would be helpful?

rm

[Deactivated Member]

Even if the 1960 and the 40yo are very similar, the fact that they are differently labelled makes them different in the eyes of a collector. You can't add the two batches together to get the size of the limited edition. I agree that the 1960 is far more desirable but I'm not sure it is yet reaching the prices that the 40yo retailed for. Isn't it ironic...

[bjm]

[quote="Nick Brown"] Isn't it ironic...[/quote]

Yes, it is. Its like rain on your wedding day, or even a no smoking sign on your cigarette break...or like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife...

[RufusA]

Was going to post exactly the same thing - a very fair price IMHO. Not bad return for a 7 year investment!

Just out of interest rm, was it a UK or overseas buyer, individual collector or retail outlet?

Rufus.

[rm1]

Hi all

Thanks for looking and the chat earlier, very pleased with the sale.

Hopefully it's gone to a good home, I'm afraid I can't tell you any details, but it was a late bidder and quite a bidding battle it was!

It is a special whisky, and Laphroaig don't seem to roll out the limited editions like some distilleries, hopefully I'll find a bar that has an open bottle one day!

Anyway, I've some packing to do, maybe post some more whisky on ebay...

rm

[rm1]

You're telling me! talk about cardiovascular exercise!

Meant to mention this in my last post, if you missed out there's another going at Mctears on Thursday (not mine!) Lot 45.

rm

[Di Blasi]

What was the final sale price?

[Deactivated Member]

I have a bottle too - and I'd happily round it down to £1000 if anyone is interested.

[anjana101]

Was this only listed in the U.K. Ebay only. Then I didn't get a chance to see the listeing. There is one listed on the U.S. Ebay for $2880.

[Deactivated Member]

For those in the US, I'd round it down to $2800.

[martin grant]

Nick,
Your generosity knows no bounds!

[anjana101]

Nick,

If you put it for $1500-$2000. I might be interested.

[Deactivated Member]

I'm sure you would.

[RufusA]

FWIW the one on McTears went for:

Da da da daah dum dee de daa da da:

...£800.

R.

[Di Blasi]

Not a bad price at all considering. Ebay seems to no longer be the best bet anymore does it.

[Deactivated Member]

The thing with McTears is that often it is whisky dealers bidding for items. They have deep pockets and will dig as deep as it takes to beat a private buyer - but they won't compete against each other. Perhaps the Laphroaig 1960 did go to a private buyer - but if not, who knows how much it might have gone for if a private buyer had got involved.

[Shaun6]

Plus buyers premium, which would take to around the £1000 mark, so similar to Ebay

[Deactivated Member]

I make it £941 to pay assuming a buyer's premium of 15%. Significantly less than the ebay price.

[woodhill]

Perhaps the dealers are also buying on eBay!

[enzot]

Luckily I bought one of the 1960 Laphroaigs at Stansted Airport (World of Whiskies)in about 2004 for £395.It was the most I'd ever spent on a bottle of whisky....seems like a bargain now !

Cheers
Enzo...

[Deactivated Member]

I thought the 1960 was exclusive to Oddbins - was the World of Whisky the generic 40yo?

[enzot]

Nick

The 1960 was an Oddbins exclusive but some other retailers must have obtained some stock perhaps from Oddbins as I also saw the 1960 for sale in the Whisky shop in Glasgow.

Cheers
Enzo...