jimidrammer wrote:"On 20th April 1608, A licence was granted to Sir Thomas Phillips to "make, draw and distil 'uisce beatha' within the territory called the Rowte in County Antrim."
Is that not implying "established"?
irishwhiskeychaser wrote:I think their latest claim now is the oldest continuous working distillery (1784) to get at Kilbeggan for their claim of 1757 (which was closed for 55years).
DavidH wrote:irishwhiskeychaser wrote:I think their latest claim now is the oldest continuous working distillery (1784) to get at Kilbeggan for their claim of 1757 (which was closed for 55years).
One could counter that Bushmills burned to the ground in 1885 so the distillery "only" dates from then.
irishwhiskeychaser wrote:Yes I see where you are coming from there but in the case of a distillery you really are referring to it as an producing entity rather than morter and bricks.
In my eyes a distillery is still a producing entity when they are releasing maturing stocks even if they are not distilling. Bushmills pretty much got straight back into action after a quick rebuild so I would not pull then up on that .
DavidH wrote:So that would make Jameson the oldest continuous working distillery in Ireland, yes?
Iain wrote:Err... not sure - convince me.
DavidH wrote:Iain wrote:Err... not sure - convince me.
I'm not trying to convince anyone. IWC proposed the continuous operation of the producing entity, independent of the bricks and mortar, as the crucial element in establishing the record (oldest continuous distiller, not oldest distiller).
In which case I submit that Jameson has been a continuous producing entity since 1780.
I am playing devil's advocate here, not advancing an agenda of my own. No lives depend on the outcome
Iain wrote:We seem to have two "oldest", according to the criteria used - the Kilbeggan distillery was reportedly working in 1757 as Brusna (I see that Barnard says it was founded 1750) but closed for a few decades